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Mar 24 2022 08:38am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 24 2022 04:29pm)
ive never said anything of the contrary. ive said from the start that his pretense of protecting ethnic russians was always a farce, as is his silly stuff about nazis. it always has been about the tug of war to control the sphere of influence.

but im not going to cry for a dictator who sits on the largest pile of nukes in the world that doesnt give 2 shits about the impoverished in his own country. its not entirely dissimilar to North Korea, should we let the people there starve in the hopes they someday overthrow the govt? or should we flood them with food in the hopes that even a small % makes its way into the rural districts to the peasants? we could placate Russia for 3 centuries and what would be the outcome? good for Russian poor? good for the west? or good just for the oligarchy and regime in Russia? i think the latter.


Yet some who know this have the audacity to call Russia "aggressive and expansionist".

There is no "good" in American unipolar hegemony. In capitalism that is akin to a competition stifling monopoly, and one that has demonstrated extreme irresponsibility and abuse with that kind of power. If we put aside for a moment ego, vanity, selfish self-interest, and seeking power for the sake of power... It is difficult to seriously argue that American unipolarity is better for the world than a multipolar order... doubly so when such dubious means are used to justify this end.

In any case, that strategy of cornering a bear hoping to tame it is extremely dangerous, because it is just as likely that bear will turn rabid and hostile.
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Mar 24 2022 08:45am
"40,000 NATO soldiers are currently deployed on the eastern side" of Europe, announces the Secretary General of the Alliance
"The leaders approved the setting up of four NATO's new tactical groups in Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia." Groups coming to "add to the four tactical groups already present in the Baltic and Poland countries."

=> How many NATO soldiers grand total are in East Europe ? So 40k ? Anyone know ?

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Mar 24 2022 08:51am
Western media has:

5,000 in the area
+40,000 added now
and that 100,000 American troops are on the ground

im sure more sources will provide further details

/e my view on the causes of the war are well documented. if people dont agree with me thats fine. I dont see the need to argue, and would rather look|discuss what happens next.

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Mar 24 2022 09:16am
Quote (Lebanon961 @ Mar 24 2022 09:38am)
Yet some who know this have the audacity to call Russia "aggressive and expansionist".

There is no "good" in American unipolar hegemony. In capitalism that is akin to a competition stifling monopoly, and one that has demonstrated extreme irresponsibility and abuse with that kind of power. If we put aside for a moment ego, vanity, selfish self-interest, and seeking power for the sake of power... It is difficult to seriously argue that American unipolarity is better for the world than a multipolar order... doubly so when such dubious means are used to justify this end.

In any case, that strategy of cornering a bear hoping to tame it is extremely dangerous, because it is just as likely that bear will turn rabid and hostile.


pumping weapons in for Ukrainian defense against Russian invasion is still far less "aggressive and expansionist" than Russian invasion. and the bear has been rabid for a long time, we cant stab it or we'll get bit too, but maybe we can starve it.
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Quote (thesnipa @ 24 Mar 2022 18:16)
pumping weapons in for Ukrainian defense against Russian invasion is still far less "aggressive and expansionist" than Russian invasion. and the bear has been rabid for a long time, we cant stab it or we'll get bit too, but maybe we can starve it.


Sitting at the peak of the tree and calling it an "agressor" in his own forest
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Quote (Norlander @ Mar 24 2022 10:23am)
Sitting at the peak of the tree and calling it an "agressor" in his own forest


id rather sit at the top of a tree than on the fence.
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pumping weapons in for Ukrainian defense against Russian invasion is still far less "aggressive and expansionist" than Russian invasion. and the bear has been rabid for a long time, we cant stab it or we'll get bit too, but maybe we can starve it.


You are rationalizing I am afraid :)
You said it yourself, USA is pushing NATO to encircle Russia in its own front yard, thousands of miles away from American borders, in order to force it to disarm and bring the nation to its knees. Who is aggressive and expansionist here?
And what is Plan B if the bear doesn't decide to slowly die of starvation, and instead make a desperate run for food with nothing to lose?

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Quote (Norlander @ Mar 24 2022 10:23am)
Sitting at the peak of the tree and calling it an "agressor" in his own forest


It's not his forest. It's his neighbor's forest.
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Quote (Lebanon961 @ Mar 24 2022 10:24am)
You are rationalizing I am afraid :)
You said it yourself, USA is pushing NATO to encircle Russia in its own front yard, thousands of miles away from American borders, in order to force it to disarm and bring the nation to its knees. Who is aggressive and expansionist here?
And what is Plan B if the bear doesn't decide to slowly die of starvation, and instead make a desperate run for food with nothing to lose?


nukes dont care much about proximity, nor do cyber attacks.

i'm not a NATO/UN/Western idealist, i realize we're not without faults and evil acts ourselves. but in a binary making no choice is cowardice.

Plan B i imagine is the NATO troops on standby and prayers for interceptor missiles if they push the big red button.
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The funny thing is that the bear produces gas :rofl: and shits oil

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