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Quote (Djunior @ Apr 21 2023 04:20pm)
You should stop personally attacking users

It's what you do all the time because you've got no counter arguments, lol


In the video the diplomat basically said, it is all well and good to go to the assembly about Russia and Ukraine, but then why is it that the security council does not do the same for Isreal and Palestine. i.e. that double standards in the UN does not go unnoticed.

blaming the source of the message without even commenting on the message is typical deflection.
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How democratic. You have the right to think like we do or fuck your way off.


"we" "you" ? Pro-russian hungarians are a disease.
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"we" "you" ? Pro-russian hungarians are a disease.


Wii U. Would be fun to hear Macron's opinion on this.

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Quote (ferdia @ 21 Apr 2023 17:29)
In the video the diplomat basically said, it is all well and good to go to the assembly about Russia and Ukraine, but then why is it that the security council does not do the same for Isreal and Palestine. i.e. that double standards in the UN does not go unnoticed.

blaming the source of the message without even commenting on the message is typical deflection.


Do you have an idea how much resolutions against Israel have passed ? Seems not. UN is not a military entity but it can expose the views of countries.
On a side note: doing direct comparison in between Israel & Palestine vs Ukraine agression... And crying for double standard :lol:

Constantly pissing on Western freeworld while posting pro-chinese propaganda. Hypocrisy itself reincarnated can't have a bigger bias.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 21 2023 04:35pm)
Do you have an idea how much resolutions against Israel have passed ? Seems not. UN is not a military entity but it can expose the views of countries.
On a side note: doing direct comparison in between Israel & Palestine vs Ukraine agression... And crying for double standard :lol:

Constantly pissing on Western freeworld while posting pro-chinese propaganda. Hypocrisy itself reincarnated can't have a bigger bias.


i can provide more examples of double standards if you want.
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Quote (ferdia @ 21 Apr 2023 16:29)
In the video the diplomat basically said, it is all well and good to go to the assembly about Russia and Ukraine, but then why is it that the security council does not do the same for Isreal and Palestine. i.e. that double standards in the UN does not go unnoticed.

blaming the source of the message without even commenting on the message is typical deflection.


Didnt see the video.

I would say that this has to do with Security Councils internal politics. Only Security Councils decisions matter generally as General Assembly statements are quite useless in their nature (same as eg statements by European Parliament vs actions of the European Commission / European Council). See eg European Parliament condemnation of Azerbaijan aggression in Nagorny Karabakh - yet head of European Comission - Ursula von der Leyen openly travels to Azerbaijan to take pictures with Aliyev and discuss cooperation over Azeri gas for Europe.

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It is important to note, that in the EU-Azerbaijan report the EU Parliamentarians regrets that the Memorandum of Understanding between the EU and Azerbaijan only focuses on energy cooperation and is not subject to any conditionality.


Same as it’s cute to see General Assembly condemn every war as it’s a morally good thing to do and also cute to see Ukraine/ US/ Canada consistently the only ones voting against resolutions to condemn Nazism.

Inside UN Security Council only China is in a realistic position and brave enough to initiate a resolution to invade Israel/Palestine to stop the conflict (ala Operation Unified Protector) - however they will never do so long as they have nothing to gain / don’t care enough about this issue to stop it / value cooperation with Israel more than cooperation with Palestine and supporting Middle Eastern states (Iran - although they do rely on Iran heavily for cheap energy)). This resolution will be autovetoed by the US so it’s a moot publicity stunt which will cost them diplomatic brownie points for no gain.

US/UK/France will never condemn Israel. Russia has its own very defined interest with Israel/ Jewish community which they play quite well (eg see recent US leak about Israel/Russia relations).

South Africa is trying to make their own way as a representative of the Global South / BRICS so they have their own gripe with double standards toward Africa / Emerging Markets vs security/economic interests of EU/US. I found this document by a Western think tank trying to put South African stance on annexation of Crimea in perspective:

https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/181295/1d676013a28a2c93f0abf4a5dfc4567b.pdf

I wish the world was less complex, but it is what it is.

This post was edited by Malopox on Apr 21 2023 11:00am
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 21 Apr 2023 13:42)
You want to know how to completely kill off any prospect of peace?

Hold a meeting and then publicly proclaim that Ukraine will join NATO after the war.

https://news.sky.com/story/nato-allies-agree-ukraine-will-become-member-12862389


This seems quite a wierd statement. Not sure what Jens wants to achieve. Reinforce the fighting spirit of Ukrainians ahead of the counteroffensive?

Assuming you somehow convince Russians on the terms of this endeavor - Ukraine can only join if they will not have any active war zones - which means they either have to cede land to Russians (hard sell internally to Ukrainian folks) or kick Russians out completely - which IMO is unlikely to happen even if NATO intervenes as Russians will probably use hypersonic MIRV nukes to defend Crimea.

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This seems quite a wierd statement. Not sure what Jens wants to achieve. Reinforce the fighting spirit of Ukrainians ahead of the counteroffensive?

Ukraine can only join if they will not have any active war zones - which means they either have to cede land to Russians (hard sell internally to Ukrainian folks) or kick Russians out completely - which IMO is unlikely to happen even if NATO intervenes as Russians will probably use hypersonic MIRV nukes to defend Crimea.


Russia is fucked.
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