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Not sure it was planned this way:

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The coup of a democratically elected government, that led to a dictatorship, that we're framing as necessary for our 'defense of democracy'.
Our stated justification for propping up the Zelensky regime is that its a beacon of democracy, even though the last democratically elected government was overthrown, the country sundered and unable to hold free and fair elections, and now Zelenksy banned all his political opposition and seized all media. So besides the 'literally in bed with Nazi war criminals' thing, its a complete undermining of our pretense for our limited involvement. Western democracies don't get suspended in times of war and a dictator appointed, we aren't calling upon Cincinnatus. And the Japanese-Americans in WW2 were not a political power, nor does it make for a winning argument to rationalize Zelenksy as channeling internment.

What's our motivation as a country? What's our strategic interest? After Iraq and Afghanistan, are we really to be led around by jingoist chuds who cite some vague and unintelligible sense of democratic righteousness and denounce any dissenters as traitors and cowards? Been there, done that.


as i stated a few pages back, our purpose is to surround Russia with allied nations as the market for their main exports of oil, gas, coal, etc which compromise most of their economy dwindle so that as they grow increasingly desperate in their homogeneous economic situation they can't do much but cooperate. hopefully to a point where they have no choice but to strike a deal and denuclearize at least to a significant degree for a bailout. that's a 50-100 year plan most likely, maybe more.

but you also dont seem to be able to help yourself in skipping over relevant facts, such as that his order is temporary for the duration of martial law, not ratified in their constitution. that its a result of escalating war, and now put in motion in the midst of full out war. dont do that, dont skip things just for expediency. the japanese were a potential spy network to FDR, so he imprisoned them. Zeleknsky took away the power for a small number of political parties to hand out fliers, and they're walking around free.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 23 2022 05:56pm)
The fact that the plurality party didn't participate in the election and the most populous oblasts boycotted it undermines any pretense of democracy. An election by only half a country isn't democratic. And that can absolutely be held against those that overthrew the democratically elected government. You don't get a mulligan when a democratic vote goes against you. When the result of an election is thrown out by force and the insurrectionists hold sham elections after that, they don't carry any legitimacy. I've given the example of Trump being reinstalled by a coup on January 6th, then all the blue states seceding and Republicans winning a landslide "election" in 2024 in fragments of a country.
There's really no way to pretend that this is democratic, free and fair or legitimate. The country was broken apart by a revolution that overthrew a democracy. Anything that followed that, while the country was still torn apart, clearly does not hold any valid claim to being a democratic state of Ukraine and representative of its people. And what followed was Zelensky tearing up even the pretense of democracy within the west and installing a one-party rule despotism.


Turnout fell all of 2 percentage points from 2014 to 2019. You can't pretend a boycott by pro-Russia parties significantly alters the outcome.
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The only fact here is that If Russia Decides to hit a Nato Country, America will Crush their Army like a bug. :rofl:
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The only fact here is that If Russia Decides to hit a Nato Country, America will Crush their Army like a bug. :rofl:


and they will nuke the planet in response and we will all die :thumbsup:
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as i stated a few pages back, our purpose is to surround Russia with allied nations as the market for their main exports of oil, gas, coal, etc which compromise most of their economy dwindle so that as they grow increasingly desperate in their homogeneous economic situation they can't do much but cooperate. hopefully to a point where they have no choice but to strike a deal and denuclearize at least to a significant degree for a bailout. that's a 50-100 year plan most likely, maybe more.

but you also dont seem to be able to help yourself in skipping over relevant facts, such as that his order is temporary for the duration of martial law, not ratified in their constitution. that its a result of escalating war, and now put in motion in the midst of full out war. dont do that, dont skip things just for expediency. the japanese were a potential spy network to FDR, so he imprisoned them. Zeleknsky took away the power for a small number of political parties to hand out fliers, and they're walking around free.


you do realise that your statement would prove putin right in his attempts to not be surrounded by NATO block countries?

but hey, nobody plans to invade to straight up invade them, just surround them, force them into submission economically and then disarm them

no major geopolitical player will let that happen to them without making a move

i am referring to your post in particular here, there is much more to the current conflict of course

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Mar 24 2022 08:52am)
you do realise that your statement would prove putin right in his attempts to not be surrounded by NATO block countries?

but hey, nobody plans to invade to straight up invade them, just surround them, force them into submission economically and then disarm them

no major geopolitical player will let that happen to them without making a move

i am referring to your post in particular here, there is much more to the current conflict of course


ive never said anything of the contrary. ive said from the start that his pretense of protecting ethnic russians was always a farce, as is his silly stuff about nazis. it always has been about the tug of war to control the sphere of influence.

but im not going to cry for a dictator who sits on the largest pile of nukes in the world that doesnt give 2 shits about the impoverished in his own country. its not entirely dissimilar to North Korea, should we let the people there starve in the hopes they someday overthrow the govt? or should we flood them with food in the hopes that even a small % makes its way into the rural districts to the peasants? we could placate Russia for 3 centuries and what would be the outcome? good for Russian poor? good for the west? or good just for the oligarchy and regime in Russia? i think the latter.

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