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Apr 18 2023 09:28am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 18 2023 04:26pm)
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Sorry but when you put it like that...


crimes deserve punishment. what I am saying is having a different opinion does not deserve punishment, as its not a crime.

Quote (Norlander @ Apr 18 2023 04:27pm)
Anyway, the mentioned posts weren't reported


t4i.

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Apr 18 2023 09:42am
Quote (ferdia @ 18 Apr 2023 23:28)
crimes deserve punishment. what I am saying is having a different opinion does not deserve punishment, as its not a crime.



t4i.


Ok .. brother I m half way there

norlander
tosha. I half gone

malopox


This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 18 2023 09:43am
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Apr 18 2023 09:45am
Quote (ferdia @ 18 Apr 2023 16:28)
crimes deserve punishment. what I am saying is having a different opinion does not deserve punishment, as its not a crime.



t4i.


I’m surprised you are still engaging with that kid. He has dodged majority of my arguments and is unable to build one himself except “Pootin bad” and reposting stale memes.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 18 Apr 2023 16:42)
Ok .. brother I m half way there

^norlander tosha. I half gone

^malopox


Drink some electrolytes to stay hydrated and avoid a hangover! Also light workout in the morning helps to keep the blood flowing.
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Apr 18 2023 10:06am
Quote (Malopox @ 18 Apr 2023 18:45)
I’m surprised you are still engaging with that kid. He has dodged majority of my arguments and is unable to build one himself except “Pootin bad” and reposting stale memes.



Drink some electrolytes to stay hydrated and avoid a hangover! Also light workout in the morning helps to keep the blood flowing.


^ this or you will end up looking like a bum from a pic on the previous page

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Apr 18 2023 10:53am
Quote (Norlander @ 19 Apr 2023 00:06)
^ this or you will end up looking like a bum from a pic on the previous page


Drunk

I m playing piano now :rofl:

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Apr 18 2023 11:09am
Quote (Neptunus @ Apr 17 2023 09:39pm)
You didnt answer my questions, ill bold them:

But why invade? Why not just add Ukraine into Russia through a peaceful referendum to prevent it from rolling into the hands NATO? NATO didnt invade Finland like Russia invaded Ukraine. It was decided by the Finnish parliament after the public opinion shifted in favour of NATO. If you want to be a hard equivalence guy, you could compare Finland joining NATO with the "referendum" in Crimea, too.

Of course NATO wants Ukraine as its member. However, its up for Ukraine to decide: Doesn't Ukraine have the same right to join NATO to it just like Crimea, and later Donbas, joined Russia via referenda? (allegedly)


Why invade? I guess the Russians knew what was going to happen after several rounds of NATO expansion followed by the 2008 NATO (Bucharest) summit followed by Euromaidan in 2014 don't you think? Be honest for once FFS

Finland joining NATO makes sense, Ukraine joining NATO doesn't make sense if you want to argue that NATO is a defensive alliance. Hint: NATO is NOT a defensive alliance because they're prepared to risk all out war with Russia over Ukraine (NATO knows that Ukraine is a red line because they were told so).

If you want to run a defensive alliance (as claimed by NATO) you'll have to accept that your main adversary (Russia) won't like it when you tell the world that Ukraine will become a NATO member in the future (@2008 NATO summit)

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Apr 18 2023 11:13am
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 18 2023 06:09pm)
Why invade? I guess the Russians knew what was going to happen after several rounds of NATO expansion followed by the 2008 NATO (Bucharest) summit followed by Euromaidan in 2014 don't you think? Be honest for once FFS

Finland joining NATO makes sense, Ukraine joining NATO doesn't make sense if you want to argue that NATO is a defensive alliance. Hint: NATO is NOT a defensive alliance because they're prepared to risk all out war with Russia over Ukraine (NATO knows that Ukraine is a red line because they were told so).

If you want to run a defensive alliance (as claimed by NATO) you'll have to accept that your main adversary (Russia) won't like it when you tell the world that Ukraine will become a NATO member in the future (@2008 NATO summit)


well said.
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Apr 18 2023 01:13pm
Quote (Djunior @ 18 Apr 2023 19:09)
Why invade? I guess the Russians knew what was going to happen after several rounds of NATO expansion followed by the 2008 NATO (Bucharest) summit followed by Euromaidan in 2014 don't you think? Be honest for once FFS

Finland joining NATO makes sense, Ukraine joining NATO doesn't make sense if you want to argue that NATO is a defensive alliance. Hint: NATO is NOT a defensive alliance because they're prepared to risk all out war with Russia over Ukraine (NATO knows that Ukraine is a red line because they were told so).

If you want to run a defensive alliance (as claimed by NATO) you'll have to accept that your main adversary (Russia) won't like it when you tell the world that Ukraine will become a NATO member in the future (@2008 NATO summit)


Quote (ferdia @ 18 Apr 2023 19:13)
well said.


I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you:

Russia bravely protecting itself from terrible Nato agression:
Russian missile hits Zaporizhzhia apartments


Do you know that Ukraine gave up 2000 nukes in exchange of protection from the US, UK, and Russia in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum ?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

At a joint press conference in January 2003, Putin responded to a question about Ukraine. “Ukraine is an independent sovereign state, and it will choose its own path to peace and security”
Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/

Ukraine is a sovereign country:
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

The invasion of Ukraine may also have violated international agreements that Russia is a party to, including:
The 1975 Helsinki Final Act, in which the USSR promised not to violate the "territorial integrity" of other signees, including through the use of force. Russia and Ukraine were both created as a result of the USSR's breakup.
The 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom agreed "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."
The Minsk Agreements, which are a pair of ceasefire agreements signed by Russia and Ukraine relating to the conflict between those countries that began in 2014
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Putin: Soviet collapse a 'genuine tragedy'


U.N Resolution condemning military agression of Ukraine:


Fatality meme:
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Apr 18 2023 01:43pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 18 2023 09:13pm)
I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you:

Russia bravely protecting itself from terrible Nato agression:
Russian missile hits Zaporizhzhia apartments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yC7UWBIAJQ

Do you know that Ukraine gave up 2000 nukes in exchange of protection from the US, UK, and Russia in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum ?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

At a joint press conference in January 2003, Putin responded to a question about Ukraine. “Ukraine is an independent sovereign state, and it will choose its own path to peace and security”
Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/

Ukraine is a sovereign country:
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

The invasion of Ukraine may also have violated international agreements that Russia is a party to, including:
The 1975 Helsinki Final Act, in which the USSR promised not to violate the "territorial integrity" of other signees, including through the use of force. Russia and Ukraine were both created as a result of the USSR's breakup.
The 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom agreed "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."
The Minsk Agreements, which are a pair of ceasefire agreements signed by Russia and Ukraine relating to the conflict between those countries that began in 2014
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Putin: Soviet collapse a 'genuine tragedy'
https://i.ibb.co/1rFhx1y/image.png

U.N Resolution condemning military agression of Ukraine:
https://i.imgur.com/615iIkD.jpg

Fatality meme:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/419/309/bf6.png


Enjoy the war pierre, it's clear you love every bit of it
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Apr 18 2023 01:59pm
Quote (Djunior @ 18 Apr 2023 21:43)
Enjoy the war pierre, it's clear you love every bit of it


I do not enjoy the "special operation" why such non-sense, Ariol.
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