Those are victims of a war.

A war that could've been avoided entirely if NATO had not insisted that Ukraine will become a NATO member. You know the facts or did that information leak out of your skull once again?

Iraq was brought up in this topic when users wanted to point out the utter hypocrisy of "progressive" drones like you who are pretending they care about Ukrainians while at the same time supporting NATO enlargement (and thus this war) using trash excuses like "those countries wanted it".

By the way Ukraine is a corrupt shit hole, high crime rate, shit GDP of a couple hundred billion dollars, totally understandable that NATO is looking for such strong reliable countries to strengthen their military alliance right? Geographical location and Black Sea control have nothing to do with this!!1!11!

NATO shills gonna be NATO shills

Lol their head of communications is a "former" CIA operative

https://pastpreservers.com/portfolio/lindsay-moran-former-cia-agent-author/

And one of their directors is also a director for "foreign policy for america" and a senior fellow at "center for American progress(CAP)"

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/expert/simon-clark/

Just for starters, many other senior people in the organization linked closely to labour party in the UK (Morgan McSweeney was a big one) or democrats in the US.

This is all public record stuff so it isn't some smoking gun, but I think it is valuable context for judging their bias

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Apr 17 2023 02:58am

pretty sure you wont get an answer to that, ok here is something (from the BBC):

Opposition activist Vladimir Kara-Murza has been sentenced to 25 years in jail for treason and other charges linked to his criticism of the war in Ukraine. The Russian-British former journalist and politician is the latest of a number of Putin opponents to have been arrested or forced to flee Russia. He has denied the charges and been vocally critical of his trial. Last week, he told a Moscow court: "I subscribe to every word that I have said."

"Not only do I not repent any of this, I am proud of it," he added.

As well as criticising the so-called "special military operation" in Ukraine, Mr Kara-Murza has also spoken openly against President Vladimir Putin and his government's crackdown on dissent. The 41-year-old played a key role in persuading Western governments to sanction Russian officials for human rights abuses and corruption.

This reminds me of the donald, I have not read anything about him in a week.

finally, here is a video of a debate betwen Galloway (remember this is the guy that the site above is seeking to have removed from twitter) and Hitchens (RIP, yes its 9 years old but its relevant to the topic in hand as is aluded to from the outset of this debate).



This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 17 2023 03:36am

In his final speech to the court last week, Kara-Murza had compared his own trial, which was held behind closed doors, to Josef Stalin's show trials in the 1930s and had declined to ask the court to acquit him, saying he stood by and was proud of everything he had said.
"Criminals are supposed to repent of what they have done. I, on the other hand, am in prison for my political views. I also know that the day will come when the darkness over our country will dissipate," he had said.

25 years, i guess they will poison him before. Horrible people who are leeching Russian power and its "views" should think about it.

I honestly dont think you will find any user in this thread who supports what is done to putin's opponents/critic's in Russia.

He's getting old and slow but listen to what this man has to say, 12 mins vid

Supporting [pro-russian] false informations and pro-russian propaganda means supporting Putin.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Apr 17 2023 05:10am

The US army reported to congress that they are doing all they can to support Ukraine. That is in fact pro-russian propaganda. I think they would refute your claim that lying about the war means supporting Putin.

thats just one example.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 17 2023 04:49am

Then you support Putin.

Where ?



That's some kind of semantic gymnastic