you dont have to look for arguments ok!

I get drunk with friends
You get sugar from drinking coca cola by yourself trying to get acceptance on the internet with your sub par postings.

If you have a dog even your dog don't like you.

on a serious note can you stop please.

sure.

democracy in action

Only for You.

This thread is such hot garbage because of Meanwhile, any interesting discussion is separated by like 4 pages of bullshit because of his "valuable contributions"

Ferdia why do you constantly go after others when they get annoyed with Meanwhile? Do you not see a pattern? You really think Meanwhile is adding a valuable perspective? Generic mainstream views in broken English?

what do you mean by constantly go after others ? who did I go after ? if you ask me why did i ask hamster not to flame, well its easy:

I get on well with hamster, he will not flame me, he will not ignore me and he will not troll me. I can treat him like a mature adult and come to a gentleman's agreement. I dont understand why this confuses you ? Do you think I have any control over meanwhile ? at all ? I do not. flaming someone to win an argument means you have lost the argument. better to use sound logic to disprove the other argument.

meanwhile represents the prevalent demographic in society, certainly in my country (Ireland) who are uninformed, dont want to learn and simply believe that the war in Ukraine was unprovoked, and do not want to listen to any other narrative. In this d2jsp topic we have a higher % of active contributors to the topic that accept the notion that the war in Ukraine was provoked (while accepting Russia was wrong to invade and all the baggage, warcrimes etc). I dont want to see meanwhile leave this topic as he represents far more people then we do. its better to have him here as a counterbalance. the most mental thing here is that we have yet to see credible counter balances to our argument, that this war was provoked.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 14 2023 11:50am

You play the forum mom any time people start getting spicy with Meanwhile, defending and strongmanning his obvious ignorance. You are doing a disservice to any actual discussion by doing this, at least any discussion worth having. If you want the thread to all be "Russia bad lol shovel shovel" then I guess it is a good strategy.

If Meanwhile represents such a wide ranging demographic than maybe someone else from that group who can actually communicate in English would be a better choice as a representative.

Just curious, if you joined a forum where all of the users thought " the sun is hot" would you feel it was an echo chamber?

I am certainly not the equivalent of "uniformed irishes" this is extremely insulting... Maybe next you will claim i'm a pro-russian yellow vest ?
"believe that the war in Ukraine was unprovoked" ? This is as productive as a "who's fault"... There's always reasons or explanations.

If it was "provoked" then... By the russian pressure to put puppet politics in Ukraine since early 2000's at least.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-43611547
or To fund dozens of political parties (like start ups) in Ukraine during the last two decades... All this was definitely a long, deeply irritating, provocation
Who provoked the invasion of chechnya ? Can you consider that it was planned since a long time by the Kremlin?

Are you aware that ex-ussr countries like Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania are spending more than 30-40% of their military budgets to help ukraine ? Do you think they do that to protest against the "provocations of the U.S" ? Or are they forced to ?

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Apr 14 2023 11:58am