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Jul 28 2020 11:28pm
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what is the reason btw? the dayton killer right?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/el-paso-dayton-shootings-august-2019/index.html

https://i.ibb.co/ncPSVSv/35-D81-D32-C155-4662-8-A25-DDDFABC217-E7.jpg

About the shooter: A Twitter account that appears to belong to Dayton mass shooter Connor Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa

he got eliminated from the memory just like James T Hodgkinson (D), the barnie sanders (D) supporter and campaign volunteer who attempted to execute multiple members of Congress while they were preparing for a charity event


well 2 things

1. Political motivation to at least some degree seems like the only rational explanation. We know he was hardcore antifa, and we know he did his mass shooting only a few hours after the El Paso shooting, and we know he ignored other bars to target a conservative western-theme bar that prominently flew a Thin Blue Line flag after he had cased it out and had verbal disagreements there, and we know he was tweeting about the El Paso attack to his antifa friends in those hours before he did his own. There's no way he went out and did another mass shooting without regarding the one earlier in the day, when he held such militant political views and was clearly aware of it.

2. It doesn't matter what his motive was. The standard for classifying extremist violence has been set by the ADL nowadays and conveniently ignores motive entirely, settling those ambiguous questions by saying that all murders that includes someone who holds extremist beliefs now count as extremist murders, even if the motive is known to apolitical, or not known.

Here's the ADL's HEAT map:
https://www.adl.org/education-and-resources/resource-knowledge-base/adl-heat-map

here's one example data point, I clicked on Virginia and found this one as a red dot just east of Richmond

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Extremist Murder
9/3/2019
Henrico County, VA
Right Wing (White Supremacist)
James Thomas Seay, a white supremacist with past ties to a number of Klan and other groups, was charged with second-degree murder for the shooting death of his uncle. No motive was made public at the time of the arrest.

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Jul 28 2020 11:44pm
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while i agree with this notion (especially in portland and seattle and austin, all very pale pasty privileged lefty strongholds) it didnt answer the question

drive-bys are generally committed by an aggressor not a person acting in self-defense


White on white violence is a symptom of white refusal to assimilate into American culture.

If you pull up in a car and threaten to shoot someone's disabled wife, and their husband tries to defend her, and you shoot the husband and then flee, you just did a drive-by shooting and committed a premeditated murder.
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Jul 29 2020 01:57am


Why do cops keep targeting journalists? Don't they know its a war crime?
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Jul 29 2020 04:06am
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White on white violence is a symptom of white refusal to assimilate into American culture.

If you pull up in a car and threaten to shoot someone's disabled wife, and their husband tries to defend her, and you shoot the husband and then flee, you just did a drive-by shooting and committed a premeditated murder.

proof of said event? doesn't seem like the driver would be released without a charge if this occurred
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Jul 29 2020 05:26am
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proof of said event? doesn't seem like the driver would be released without a charge if this occurred


He's making up a fantasy version of how Garrett Foster died

https://www.theblaze.com/news/garrett-foster-shooting-what-we-know
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/07/26/armed-protester-shot-killed-driver-austin-identified-garrett-foster-shooter-released-custody/

When Foster and a group of BLM marchers blocking traffic ran up to the vehicle and started attacking it, Foster pointed his assault rifle at the driver, and the driver shot first and saved his life. Another one of the BLM guys opened fire on the driver but he escaped
getting killed in self-defense doesn't make you a martyr
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Jul 29 2020 06:13am
Why do people insist on driving into the protests zones? I have no sympathy for someone trying to brandish their vehicle as a weapon and intentionally creating risk for themselves and others while strapped? Driver needs to be charged, crazy behavior.

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Why do people insist on driving into the protests zones? I have no sympathy for someone trying to brandish their vehicle as a weapon and intentionally creating risk for themselves and others while strapped? Driver needs to be charged, crazy behavior.


What's a "protest zone"?
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Jul 29 2020 06:21am
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Why do people insist on driving into the protests zones? I have no sympathy for someone trying to brandish their vehicle as a weapon and intentionally creating risk for themselves and others. Driver needs to be charged, crazy behavior.


not everyone knows where protest zones are. especially in cities where you have plenty of out of town/state people coming in (even during covid-19 times). also protests can pop up at random and the people participating in them can move around marching so there's that too. but yes i agree in principle people should just ignore the protest zones. in fact we should fence the zones in so people can continue to peacefully protest unhindered by outside forces. worked like a charm in seattle
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Jul 29 2020 07:03am
https://kstp.com/news/affidavit-hells-angels-member-believed-to-be-umbrella-man-spotted-inciting-violence-during-floyd-protests-/5809447/

so about that umbrella man

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In the affidavit, the officer states that the protests had been relatively peaceful to that point but after the AutoZone's windows were smashed out, looting started and a fire was then set, which then extended to the Third Precinct and other parts of the city. The officer adds that the "Umbrella Man" appeared to only want to incite violence.

Within the past week, authorities received a tip about the "Umbrella Man," the affidavit states. Authorities contacted the tipster, who said the information came from another person who wanted to remain anonymous out of fear of the man.

The affidavit states authorities then confirmed the man the tipster identified, who is a full-fledged member of the Hell's Angels and a known associate of the Aryan Cowboys, a prison biker gang out of Minnesota and Kentucky.

It adds that authorities confirmed the man was also present during an incident on June 27 in Stillwater when a Muslim woman said she was racially harassed by a biker group wearing Aryan Cowboy vests, as he was pictured with the group.

The man in question has a lengthy criminal record and, when authorities compared the photo of the "Umbrella Man" to the man's previous booking photos, they found "a striking resemblance," according to the affidavit. It notes eye, nose bridge and brow area match, and the man's size fits the build of the "Umbrella Man."

The search warrant sought to allow authorities to check the man's cellphone location on May 27.


The evidence isn't quite as clear as they made it out yesterday
The tipster could just as easily be an internet troll who googled the guy based on previous media reports, and the "striking resemblance" is based off such a masked identity that it would "strikingly resemble" literally any average weight white male age 20-60 and height 6 ft +/- 5"

maybe they did indeed identify the right guy, and I'd put the odds at more likely than not, but they really did not have the evidence to go public with that accusation without investigating it more thoroughly.
its been 2 months since the protests, why did they feel the need to go public with this bombshell within a few days of receiving a tip, without conducting a full investigation first?
its particularly silly because this guy has already resulted in someone else getting misidentified as him and doxxed, which the investigators themselves cited as reason to clear the cops name

I do hope they got it right this time, but the fact they said they haven't arrested or charged the guy yet really casts big doubt on the story with scant evidence provided
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Jul 29 2020 08:07am
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What's a "protest zone"?


Perhaps near regions that have had 50+ nights of protest demonstration?
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