When you gas thousands people in villages you are not even a family man imho.

Your Russia / Ukraine thread is a grand opening by the way.

Athens and Sparta
Russia and the Central Powers
Germany and Britain 1914.

woooowowowow

And a Sneak peak just for you.
Graham Allison asked David Petraeus after he got the CIA top job.
They knew each other since Havard / Princeton days.

He asked David " So you got the top job , you got access to all those classified material , how much do you know now "

David smiled back... and said a lot and ask Graham what he knows.

Graham said these words " Deep Sleepers" One who knows everything about China and is a friend and mentor of Leaders and Presidents of both the US and China since Nixon.

David smiled back..

And before I flip the page I was like......fxxk..... Lee Kuan Yew..
But he wasn't a CIA agent per say...

And yes they were talking about LKY as a deep sleeper

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Apr 13 2023 05:59am

That SS person or whatever is not relevant, read up on Stepan Bandera, this is relevant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

thats the guy we talked about last year afaik.

You read the quote I posted? Highly controversial person, particularly to Ukrainians in the South and East who condemn his as a fascist --> That's the area where many ethnic Russians live in Ukraine

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 13 2023 06:47am

i saw that quote before, i read that wiki before as well.

my point here is : when points to China, or Saddam, and (correct me now as you like meanwhile) says that they are evil, my challenge is that yes they do evil things, but just because bad people do alot of evil things does not mean that they do not also do a few good things, and good people do alot of good things but that does not mean that they will not sometimes do bad things.

In this regard people are by and large controversial, because they do alot of things that people expect them to make but they also do good, or bad, or evil, things that they would otherwise not be expected to make.

TLDR: labeling a country, nation, person evil, or sub human, is fundamentally sloppy, it is the individual actions that they take which are evil, and that this does not encapsulate all of their actions but rather those which most people agree on is, evil.

The media is all about goodies and baddies, you are with us or against us, you commit war crimes, we dont (because war crimes dont exist when we do it) but we are not living in a disney movie and good people do bad things (and bad people do bad things).

This whole notion of you are my life long friend forever, but as soon as you do something i dont like, you are my enemy is so warped.

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 13 2023 06:59am

It's a fact that Bandera is a highly controversial person in Ukraine and a Nazi sympathizer / collaborator who with his followers was responsible for massacring Jewish citizens during WW2. To many Ukrainians he's a hero, to ethnic Russians in Ukraine and Russians in Russia he's a Nazi. This speaks volumes considering everything in the present conflict.

will now be googling like mad to find something something to shit on the source, deny that Bandera is controversial, and so on. You know his playbook, he's been playing that exact same game with you, remember?

Honestly now, meanwhile is a good counter balance in the thread. I accept alot of people do not get on well with him and he drives you all demented but you actually need two sides in an argument in order to have a proper discussion. Therefore I will ever try to support or even encourage him at times. I know this sounds mental, especially when noting his views on me, but if you take a step back and look at it in the wider context, we should ever be challenging our assumptions and positions, and its only fair that if we challenge his, that he should be afforded the opportunity to challenge as well and not be drowned out.

The Prosecutor General's Office initiated an investigation of a video that appeared on social networks, which allegedly depicted the murder of a serviceman of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the department said.

The department said that the Prosecutor General's Office discovered the video "during the monitoring of the Internet network."

“In the frames of the distributed video, an unknown person in the summer season in camouflage uniform uses violence with a knife against an unknown serviceman, as a result of which he causes death. In order to assess the reliability of these materials and make an appropriate decision, they were sent to the investigating authorities to organize an audit,” the Prosecutor General’s Office said.

In the footage, a man lying on the ground is cut off his head. On the eve of the press secretary of the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, said that it is necessary to verify the authenticity of these personnel.

The date and location of the filming of the video is unknown. Presumably, the video was filmed in the warm season. The murdered man is wearing a yellow armband, which is used by the Ukrainian military.

The founder of Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, condemned the execution and said that he had no information that the soldiers of a private military company were on the video. “It’s bad when people’s heads are cut off, but I didn’t find anywhere that this is happening near Bakhmut and fighters of the Wagner PMC are involved in the execution,” the press service reported.

The Ukrainian authorities blamed Russian forces for the execution of the man. Vladimir Zelensky promised to achieve "legal responsibility" for Moscow because of what happened. The head of the office of the President of Ukraine, Andriy Yermak, after the appearance of these personnel, called for Russia to be excluded from the UN Security Council.

In November, footage allegedly depicting the execution of Russian servicemen by the Armed Forces of Ukraine caused a scandal. On them, people in military uniforms similar to Russian ones leave the house one by one and lie down on the ground, soon shots are fired. The second video, taken from a quadcopter, shows 12 bodies. The Ministry of Defense called the incident a massacre of prisoners and a violation of international conventions.

Just be careful when depicting graphic violence. i accept this is provided for information purposes, I am merely trying to keep us all on the good side of the moderating team.