Quote (Bananii @ Apr 12 2023 04:35pm)

k let me add something maybe for better understanding: we germans got ~5 big partys. CDU CSU SPD FDP and die Grünen. okay AFD now aswell.
all of those are FULLY capitalists. There is in the end no real difference between those partys, since ALL of those politicians are capitalists who do ANYTHING for money, as we saw again the last years

what we germans are allowed to vote for, is the lesser evil. thats it. in the end, same shit continues, folks get scammed, poverty increases.

for example: while we discuss the minimum wage to increase from 10 to 12€, in the end that means 12€*160h=1920 brutto = ~1370€ netto each month. 1370€ - ~700€ rent (cheap 2room flat) -100€ car -30€ internet -25€ GEZ -50€ electricity -100€ heating etc ~25% of the working class (number is increasing hard due increasing temporary work and massive pricedumping due the massive imigration of foreign workers from eastern bloc) got 300-400€/ month left. In the calculation is not included for example MOT, car reparations, cellphones etc
after working 45years your pension is ~70% of last netto. thats ~960€ / month. now you can calculate yourself how many people in germany got how much money to survive

what i want to tell you: ALL of those 5-6 big partys in germany support that capitalistic system.
we can only choose the color, not the content..

that means for me: There is no vote. Anyone who disagrees me in that point is in my opinion naive and too uninformed about capitalism. Or just an asshole who knows, but dont know that he support the genocide against his own people.

Quote (Bananii @ 12 Apr 2023 23:35)

k let me add something maybe for better understanding: we germans got ~5 big partys. CDU CSU SPD FDP and die Grünen. okay AFD now aswell.
all of those are FULLY capitalists. There is in the end no real difference between those partys, since ALL of those politicians are capitalists who do ANYTHING for money, as we saw again the last years

what we germans are allowed to vote for, is the lesser evil. thats it. in the end, same shit continues, folks get scammed, poverty increases.

for example: while we discuss the minimum wage to increase from 10 to 12€, in the end that means 12€*160h=1920 brutto = ~1370€ netto each month. 1370€ - ~700€ rent (cheap 2room flat) -100€ car -30€ internet -25€ GEZ -50€ electricity -100€ heating etc ~25% of the working class (number is increasing hard due increasing temporary work and massive pricedumping due the massive imigration of foreign workers from eastern bloc) got 300-400€/ month left. In the calculation is not included for example MOT, car reparations, cellphones etc
after working 45years your pension is ~70% of last netto. thats ~960€ / month. now you can calculate yourself how many people in germany got how much money to survive

what i want to tell you: ALL of those 5-6 big partys in germany support that capitalistic system.
we can only choose the color, not the content..

that means for me: There is no vote. Anyone who disagrees me in that point is in my opinion naive and too uninformed about capitalism. Or just an asshole who knows, but dont know that he support the genocide against his own people.

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2023 05:38pm)

I dont disagree with anything you have said there but understand that Germany is just one of many countries with this problem.

Quote (Bananii @ Apr 12 2023 04:40pm)

dont call it democracy then^^ or any other country with those problems. you cant tell me the folks would support such a system if there was a choice

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2023 12:42pm)

I think the mistake you made is in assuming that there is only 1 definition of the word democracy, not as bad of course as the mistake that a certain country makes when it says democracy should be and is the only credible form of government.

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2023 05:42pm)

I think the mistake you made is in assuming that there is only 1 definition of the word democracy, not as bad of course as the mistake that a certain country makes when it says democracy should be and is the only credible form of government.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Apr 12 2023 05:48pm)

Germany is a vassal state of the US used to extend US hegemony into the rest of Europe via trade/manufacturing. The modern state of Germany is a product of the US, made in its image and for its purposes.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Apr 12 2023 04:48pm)

Germany is a vassal state of the US used to extend US hegemony into the rest of Europe via trade/manufacturing. The modern state of Germany is a product of the US, made in its image and for its purposes.

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2023 12:50pm)

thats a very broad definition, and by extension you could call every country that trades with the US/Russia/China as vassal states. ultimately Germany sees regular elections and therefore I would refute your argument, while accepting aspects of it. I hope I was clear there.

The US is the leader of the western world. It demands and commands respect. For those countries that dont toe the line we get freedom fries incidents (france) or they replace the government (again, france). However Russia does the same thing to countries within its sphere of influence (Ukraine) just as China does in its sphere of influence.

TLDR: for all the faults you outline re: Germany, Germany (and France! and Ireland!) is still a great place to be and there are safe guards in these countries which are much better then in most parts of the world. Do not think that by moving to any other country in the EU that the grass is greener, and be careful what you wish for when looking for alternate leaders.

Quote (ofthevoid @ 12 Apr 2023 17:53)

Polish media claims France is blocking EU decision on financing ammunition supplies to Ukraine

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/polish-media-claims-france-blocking-082607662.html

If true this is a big shift.

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2023 05:42pm)

I think the mistake you made is in assuming that there is only 1 definition of the word democracy, not as bad of course as the mistake that a certain country makes when it says democracy should be and is the only credible form of government..

Germany is democratic and is very stable in this regard. Capitalism on the other hand is the issue whereby low and middle class families are ever walked on and Governments inability to combat this via legislation is to my mind one of the root causes of the problem. But this is a social problem (accepted, all encompassing in western society). Be glad your not living in England, its much worse there.

It is for this reason that governments (will again) collapse, when the people reject the status quo, which we will see throughout the decade in many countries as a consequence of the ever increasing cost of living crisis (which is only going to get worse for the reasons previously outlined).

and, that, is democracy at work (the replacement of the incumbent leadership when it is deemed unsatisfactory) as opposed to other forms of government that do not have the ability to replace a government that is not doing supporting its people.

Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2023 05:50pm)

TLDR: for all the faults you outline re: Germany, Germany (and France! and Ireland!) is still a great place to be and there are safe guards in these countries which are much better then in most parts of the world. Do not think that by moving to any other country in the EU that the grass is greener, and be careful what you wish for when looking for alternate leaders.