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Apr 12 2023 06:41am
Quote (ferdia @ 12 Apr 2023 14:27)
Books like that are very difficult to read. I read a similar one about Russia, it took me weeks to get through.


Our flawed democracies:

Honda Wu was born in Shanghai into a family of eight upper-class Catholic children living in the French Concession. He was imprisoned on April 27, 1960 in a Laogai camp, because, according to him, of his "bourgeois origins" and for having criticized the invasion of Hungary, an ally of China.
He was labeled as a "counter-revolutionary right-hander". His family members and friends are forced to denounce him as a “counter-revolutionary”. His mother, who refused to do so, committed suicide.

Harry Wu was naturalized American in 1994. He again took the risk of returning to China in 1995, but this time he was arrested at the Chinese border, kept in detention for sixty-six days, sentenced for espionage to fifteen years in prison. camp, to be finally expelled following American pressure, the American authorities threatening China of the boycott by Hillary Clinton of a UN conference in Beijing...

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Apr 12 2023 01:37pm)
yah i am watching now the full thing .


For those that dont watch video's the TLDR:

An englishman outlined the failed attempt by Georgia to enact a law whereby companies had to declare which foreign powers is sponsoring them. As some of you will know this was briefly on the news recently and not much was said about it, other then that the west stated it was against their core values, which is funny really (as the interviewer pointed out) noting its the exact same law as exists in certain western great power countries.

A citizen from Georgia was then interviewed who outlined that one could view the US and Russia as the same but ultimately they live beside Russia so therefore they have to be able to look for common ground with Russia, and its not safe to hold you breath hoping Russia will suddenly disappear tomorrow.

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How flowed are our democracies:

Honda Wu was born in Shanghai into a family of eight upper-class Catholic children living in the French Concession. He was imprisoned on April 27, 1960 in a Laogai camp, because, according to him, of his "bourgeois origins" and for having criticized the invasion of Hungary, an ally of China.
He was labeled as a "counter-revolutionary right-hander". His family members and friends are forced to denounce him as a “counter-revolutionary”. His mother, who refused to do so, committed suicide.

Harry Wu was naturalized American in 1994. He again took the risk of returning to China in 1995, but this time he was arrested at the Chinese border, kept in detention for sixty-six days, sentenced for espionage to fifteen years in prison. camp, to be finally expelled following American pressure, the American authorities threatening China of the boycott by Hillary Clinton of a UN conference in Beijing...


A story all to common all over the world. here is one about northern ireland, i read this article yesterday in the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/11/torture-real-belfast-man-waterboarded-by-british-army-northern-ireland-troubles

here is the TLDR from the court of appeals judge (england):

“It is my decision that the plaintiff was subjected to waterboarding; he was hooded; he was driven in a car flanked by soldiers to a location where he thought he would be assassinated; a gun was put to his head, and he was threatened that he would be shot dead. It is the view of this court that the said ill-treatment caused the plaintiff to make admissions and a confession statement.”

Holden, the judge noted, had steadily maintained his account for almost half a century. “Despite the passage of time, in my judgment there has been a constant thread of consistency in the plaintiff’s evidence to this court when compared to his previous accounts of the events. I conclude that the plaintiff was exposed to humiliation and degradation and that the soldiers behaved in a high-handed, insulting, malicious and oppressive manner.”

Holden’s estate was awarded a further £350,000 in damages. Note that it states estate, because he died shortly after the retrial due to ill health.

, no one is denying that the human rights in China are, at times, deplorable, however a monopoly of human rights abuses is not owned by any one country.

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^Meanwhile, no one is denying that the human rights in China are, at times, deplorable, however a monopoly of human rights abuses is not owned by any one country.


Would be pretty sick to put a country like China and Uk at the same level.
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Apr 12 2023 07:07am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Apr 12 2023 02:04pm)
Would be pretty sick to put a country like China and Uk at the same level.


You DO know english history i hope ?!

England has not invaded 22 countries on this planet. They invaded every other country. You do not have to believe me, you can read various articles on line.

here is a primer (yes this is an english newspaper).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html


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Quote (ferdia @ 12 Apr 2023 20:42)
For those that dont watch video's the TLDR:

An englishman outlined the failed attempt by Georgia to enact a law whereby companies had to declare which foreign powers is sponsoring them. As some of you will know this was briefly on the news recently and not much was said about it, other then that the west stated it was against their core values, which is funny really (as the interviewer pointed out) noting its the exact same law as exists in certain western great power countries.

A citizen from Georgia was then interviewed who outlined that one could view the US and Russia as the same but ultimately they live beside Russia so therefore they have to be able to look for common ground with Russia, and its not safe to hold you breath hoping Russia will suddenly disappear tomorrow.



A story all to common all over the world. here is one about northern ireland, i read this article yesterday in the guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/11/torture-real-belfast-man-waterboarded-by-british-army-northern-ireland-troubles

here is the TLDR from the court of appeals judge (england):

“It is my decision that the plaintiff was subjected to waterboarding; he was hooded; he was driven in a car flanked by soldiers to a location where he thought he would be assassinated; a gun was put to his head, and he was threatened that he would be shot dead. It is the view of this court that the said ill-treatment caused the plaintiff to make admissions and a confession statement.”

Holden, the judge noted, had steadily maintained his account for almost half a century. “Despite the passage of time, in my judgment there has been a constant thread of consistency in the plaintiff’s evidence to this court when compared to his previous accounts of the events. I conclude that the plaintiff was exposed to humiliation and degradation and that the soldiers behaved in a high-handed, insulting, malicious and oppressive manner.”

Holden’s estate was awarded a further £350,000 in damages. Note that it states estate, because he died shortly after the retrial due to ill health.

^Meanwhile, no one is denying that the human rights in China are, at times, deplorable, however a monopoly of human rights abuses is not owned by any one country.


Point 1.

Regarding George Galloway's video in regards to the media and press law in Georgia. This has been spoken many times before and the United States has an exact law that says you cannot own any press if you are not a United States Resident i.e Rupert Murdoch.

An excerpt from Lee Kuan Yew " We allow American / Foreign journalist in Singapore in order to report Singapore to their fellow countryman, We allow their newspapers to sell in Singapore, so we can know what they are reading about us. But we cannot allow them to assume a role in Singapore , that the America / Foreign media plays in America or the West . That of an invigilator, adversary and inquisitor of the administration.


Point 2. On human rights abuse.

The Chinese do it to their own. The French do it to others because they believe and view them as lesser human beings. i.e Vietnam, Algeria etc etc

Point. 3

If you are going to have a civil discourse with a Storm Shield'ed Hammerdin in a GM PVP.
Good luck .

If someone is going to put on a storm shield during GM PVP.
You won't expect him to be GM during a discourse.
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Apr 12 2023 07:15am
Quote (ferdia @ 12 Apr 2023 21:07)
You DO know english history i hope ?!

England has not invaded 22 countries on this planet. They invaded every other country.


The French Storm Shield Hammerdin is right on this. You cannot compare the UK to China. The UK is way way way more advanced in the Human Rights category when it comes to abusing.
There is a reason why US revolted when they can.

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Point 1.

Regarding George Galloway's video in regards to the media and press law in Georgia. This has been spoken many times before and the United States has an exact law that says you cannot own any press if you are not a United States Resident i.e Rupert Murdoch.

An excerpt from Lee Kuan Yew " We allow American / Foreign journalist in Singapore in order to report Singapore to their fellow countryman, We allow their newspapers to sell in Singapore, so we can know what they are reading about us. But we cannot allow them to assume a role in Singapore , that the America / Foreign media plays in America or the West . That of an invigilator, adversary and inquisitor of the administration.


Point 2. On human rights abuse.

The Chinese do it to their own. The French do it to others because they believe and view them as lesser human beings. i.e Vietnam, Algeria etc etc

Point. 3

If you are going to have a civil discourse with a Storm Shield'ed Hammerdin in a GM PVP.
Good luck .

If someone is going to put on a storm shield during GM PVP.
You won't expect him to be GM during a discourse.



it depends, is he using "Eld" or a 30ed/60ar/9dex/-req jewel in the SS ?
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it depends, is he using "Eld" or a 30ed/60ar/9dex/-req jewel in the SS ?


PM you hold on.

The setup I think is

Ber Shako
Eld Storm Shield
Nigma
Hoto , Arachs and Mages to hit 75 fcr.

And Juvies

:rofl:

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Apr 12 2023 07:20am
Quote (ferdia @ 12 Apr 2023 15:07)
You DO know english history i hope ?!

England has not invaded 22 countries on this planet. They invaded every other country. You do not have to believe me, you can read various articles on line.

here is a primer (yes this is an english newspaper).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html


Sure, and now following your 80 years old events you are claiming both are the same today ? Horribly SICK.

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Quote (ferdia @ Apr 12 2023 03:16pm)
it depends, is he using "Eld" or a 30ed/60ar/9dex/-req jewel in the SS ?


Id guess a perf diamond
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