Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 23 2022 09:02am)

Were the republicans during WW2 pro-Hitler? not even anti-war, but pro-Hitler?

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 23 2022 09:04am)

but we're not talking about a pro-russian party. As I said, the pro-russian party in Ukraine defected and boycotted the elections. The party of regions didn't exist. Its the party for life that sought a softer, more neutral approach while still explicitly opposing Russia. For example, they had one member of their party come out in support of Russia at the start of the invasion, and they immediately expelled him. Zelensky banned the moderate party and then made sure to seize control of all media in the country while he was at it.

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 23 2022 10:09am)

so daddy took away the babies lollipop while their jaw is wired shut?

i havent read into it but im going to take a stab and guess their parliament or w/e they call it isn't exactly actively in session and passing legislation. they're at war, the president is currently with his regime enacting policy on the fly as the war unfolds. the literal capital where the govt sits is the main target for the Russian invading force. and somehow the headline is "dictator president bans govt party that is basically only a consulting body becuase they've already proven there are openly pro russian members in their ranks, so now they're off the zoom call".

the scoops both sides of the media try to elevate really are silly to me, last week i saw one that basically said "dont be fooled by compassionate videos of Ukrainians, they're also killing soldiers too". wow, big stuff.

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 23 2022 09:09am)

so daddy took away the babies lollipop while their jaw is wired shut?

i havent read into it but im going to take a stab and guess their parliament or w/e they call it isn't exactly actively in session and passing legislation. they're at war, the president is currently with his regime enacting policy on the fly as the war unfolds. the literal capital where the govt sits is the main target for the Russian invading force. and somehow the headline is "dictator president bans govt party that is basically only a consulting body becuase they've already proven there are openly pro russian members in their ranks, so now they're off the zoom call".

the scoops both sides of the media try to elevate really are silly to me, last week i saw one that basically said "dont be fooled by compassionate videos of Ukrainians, they're also killing soldiers too". wow, big stuff.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 23 2022 09:13am)

this happened before the war though

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The country’s national security and defence council took the decision to ban the parties from any political activity. Most of the parties affected were small, but one of them, the Opposition Platform for Life, has 44 seats in the 450-seat Ukrainian parliament.

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“Therefore, the national security and defence council decided, given the full-scale war unleashed by Russia, and the political ties that a number of political structures have with this state, to suspend any activity of a number of political parties for the period of martial law,” the Ukrainian leader added.

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The Opposition Platform for Life, Ukraine’s biggest opposition party, is led by Viktor Medvedchuk, a pro-Moscow oligarch with close ties to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. Party officials later said the suspension “had no legal basis”.

The Ukrainian authorities last year charged Medvedchuk, a longtime ally of Putin who is believed to be the godfather of Medvedchuk’s daughter, with treason and placed the oligarch under house arrest, a move that angered the Kremlin.

Ukraine said Medvedchuk escaped house arrest three days after Russia started its invasion of Ukraine on 24 February and his whereabouts are currently unknown.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 23 2022 09:16am)

Do you think if FDR dissolved congress and the judiciary and private press during WW2 it would have been just an excusable sidenote of his war powers? Ostensibly, America is supporting the cause of democracy in Ukraine, or should I say truth, justice and the American way. That pretense gets a whole lot less defensible when you ban the opposition parties and seize control of the media. We just gave this guy a standing ovation in congress. As long as we're hinging our propaganda on the idea that we're the champions of democracy against brutal Russian repression, we should have a problem with him being blatantly undemocratic. I mean, besides the whole 'overthrew the last democracy in a coup' thing

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 23 2022 10:19am)

wat? one of us is missing something, the reports im reading say he announced it Sunday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/ukraine-suspends-11-political-parties-with-links-to-russia

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Indeed, the decision to suspend the parties follows a pattern. Since last year, the government has imposed sanctions on opposition media and some opposition leaders on a regular basis, without providing any convincing evidence of wrongdoing to the public.

One year ago, for example, the government sanctioned Viktor Medvedchuk, a personal friend of Putin, soon after polls started to show that his party may have more public support than Zelenskyy’s “People’s Servant” party and could overtake him in a future election. At the time, the sanctions against Medvedchuk and his TV stations were also endorsed by the US Embassy in Ukraine. Several analysts have since speculated that those sanctions may have been among the factors that led Putin to begin preparations for the war, by convincing him that Russia-friendly politicians would never be allowed to win an election in Ukraine.

Now, Medvedchuk escaped house arrest and is hiding from Ukrainian authorities. The Opposition Platform for Life removed him from the party leadership, condemned Russia’s invasion, and called its members to join the forces defending Ukraine.

While it is easy to classify the decision to suspend the “pro-Russian” political parties amid a Russian invasion as a security necessity, the move should be analysed and understood in this wider context. It is also important to point out that the government’s sanctions regime against opposition parties, politicians and media has long attracted widespread criticism within Ukraine. Many in the country believe that the sanctions were designed and implemented by a small group attending Ukraine’s Security and Defence Council meetings, without serious discussion, on dubious legal grounds, to further corrupt interests.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 23 2022 09:29am)

My bad didn't realize we're talking only about the outright ban. What i was referring to is the general pushing out of other voices which started last year.



https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/21/why-did-ukraine-suspend-11-pro-russia-parties

Quote (Goomshill @ 23 Mar 2022 14:59)

Which was under his lawful powers as president.

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I'm trying to find the page in my history book where FDR locked up all the Republicans during WW2
Maybe this is a weird European thing, but normally "wartime president" =/= "repressive dictatorship"

Quote (Goomshill @ 23 Mar 2022 15:04)

but we're not talking about a pro-russian party. As I said, the pro-russian party in Ukraine defected and boycotted the elections. The party of regions didn't exist. Its the party for life that sought a softer, more neutral approach while still explicitly opposing Russia. For example, they had one member of their party come out in support of Russia at the start of the invasion, and they immediately expelled him. Zelensky banned the moderate party and then made sure to seize control of all media in the country while he was at it.