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May 28 2020 11:39am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 28 2020 12:33pm)
but why would i bother to make a post half as long as your when you havent even said what you do, you havent said what experience you have, and you've shown a pattern of being both stubborn and inexperienced, yet overconfident? you asked why i'd bother with crossbones just today, im starting to wonder how many days ill bother with you.


Seems pretty variable from day to day. I'm leaning towards 35 year old autist where I was leaning towards 19 year old freshman the other day.
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May 28 2020 11:44am
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blah blah blah.

ive got 30 page papers full of suggestions from undergrad, full outlines with binders full of potential programs, etc.

give me a blank check and i could fix the entire system. but i know the system, i worked in it, and i left because not only did you not get a blank check you got half of the check you asked for even when you were being conservative.

the money you do get is ineffectual for change, and the programs you could do are too expensive to get funded.

but why would i bother to make a post half as long as your when you havent even said what you do, you havent said what experience you have, and you've shown a pattern of being both stubborn and inexperienced, yet overconfident? you asked why i'd bother with crossbones just today, im starting to wonder how many days ill bother with you.


You worked for a government union, in a government facility. A facility that, assuming the PRIVATELY SOURCED funding could be found, could easily implement reformation programs for convicts. Did I ever ONCE claim that tax payer monies could be diverted to changing even one single prison? Please, did I?

Your knowledge of working in a government union and a government facility is certainly higher than mine. I don't work for the government, and probably wouldn't even if they asked me to. And I'm 100% opposed to government workers unions, because, "I'm going to strike and refuse to do what taxpayers are paying me to do unless they meet my demands" for workers who already receive better benefits than 95% of the private market is just complete bullshit. So don't come at me as some great source of knowledge about unions when you've never worked in a real one.

You've said what you've done. And what you've done has nothing to do with free market unions. What you've done has nothing to do with employer-based trade work or contracting work. You claim knowledge and experience you do not have, and attempt to use it to derail a suggestion that is neither new nor unique, and HAS BEEN PUT IN PRACTICE in a few county prisons, and has been WILDLY successful, with inmates who go through the vocational programs typically being hired to a job immediately PRIOR to being released from their sentence. In many cases, for lighter and even some drug-related sentences, work-releases are even arranged once vocational training is complete, so that the prisoner can start earning, and re-acclimating to productive life while still under a highly-guarded and answerable atmosphere.

The bottom line is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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May 28 2020 11:46am
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You worked for a government union, in a government facility. A facility that, assuming the PRIVATELY SOURCED funding could be found, could easily implement reformation programs for convicts. Did I ever ONCE claim that tax payer monies could be diverted to changing even one single prison? Please, did I?

Your knowledge of working in a government union and a government facility is certainly higher than mine. I don't work for the government, and probably wouldn't even if they asked me to. And I'm 100% opposed to government workers unions, because, "I'm going to strike and refuse to do what taxpayers are paying me to do unless they meet my demands" for workers who already receive better benefits than 95% of the private market is just complete bullshit. So don't come at me as some great source of knowledge about unions when you've never worked in a real one.

You've said what you've done. And what you've done has nothing to do with free market unions. What you've done has nothing to do with employer-based trade work or contracting work. You claim knowledge and experience you do not have, and attempt to use it to derail a suggestion that is neither new nor unique, and HAS BEEN PUT IN PRACTICE in a few county prisons, and has been WILDLY successful, with inmates who go through the vocational programs typically being hired to a job immediately PRIOR to being released from their sentence. In many cases, for lighter and even some drug-related sentences, work-releases are even arranged once vocational training is complete, so that the prisoner can start earning, and re-acclimating to productive life while still under a highly-guarded and answerable atmosphere.

The bottom line is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


i didnt work for a government union.

your rants are just you talking about shit u dont have any clue on while strawmanning me. i never claimed training wont help convicts get jobs, i said from experience that the training that would actually help wont be paid for.

but take another shot and keep knocking down strawmen with zero experience in this field kid. that'll show me.
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May 28 2020 11:49am
'4-5 shots fired from a house in st paul'

ye I think they might have started getting too close to the hmong neighborhoods
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May 28 2020 11:50am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 28 2020 10:46am)
i didnt work for a government union.

your rants are just you talking about shit u dont have any clue on while strawmanning me. i never claimed training wont help convicts get jobs, i said from experience that the training that would actually help wont be paid for.

but take another shot and keep knocking down strawmen with zero experience in this field kid. that'll show me.


Quote (InsaneBobb @ May 28 2020 10:44am)
You claim knowledge and experience you do not have, and attempt to use it to derail a suggestion that is neither new nor unique, and HAS BEEN PUT IN PRACTICE in a few county prisons, and has been WILDLY successful, with inmates who go through the vocational programs typically being hired to a job immediately PRIOR to being released from their sentence. In many cases, for lighter and even some drug-related sentences, work-releases are even arranged once vocational training is complete, so that the prisoner can start earning, and re-acclimating to productive life while still under a highly-guarded and answerable atmosphere.

The bottom line is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.


Do you have anything else to say that's useful? Or just, "prisoners are a problem because the system's fucked and nothing will work"?
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May 28 2020 11:52am
Quote (Goomshill @ May 28 2020 10:49am)
'4-5 shots fired from a house in st paul'

ye I think they might have started getting too close to the hmong neighborhoods


This police scanner is wild. A crowd of 100+ planning to take a store, say they don't care what happens to them.

Seems like it's getting more intense, not less.
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May 28 2020 12:01pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ May 28 2020 12:50pm)
Do you have anything else to say that's useful? Or just, "prisoners are a problem because the system's fucked and nothing will work"?


a better question would be is there anything that i can say that will change your mind? no, you're defensive, likely day drunk, ignorant of a number of topics you speak authoritatively on, and generally just annoying.

i tried to work and change the system for a long time, made some gain, lots of disappointments, so i left. still in contact with plenty of people and i still do volunteering work a few times a year if i can.

you're an angry alcoholic couch potato. i actually get convicts hired at my company by personally vouching for them and training them, mostly unpaid in my free time. ive worked hard to get a reputation good enough in a company that ive gotten 4 excons a job they otherwise wouldnt have even gotten through the application process on. and i hope to do the same for dozens more. i also work with organizations setting up gardening projects in poor communities.

one last thing before i block your belligerent annoying ass, fuck you. drink a whole bottle tonight and do the world a favor you armchair failure of a human.



This post was edited by thesnipa on May 28 2020 12:16pm
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May 28 2020 12:12pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 28 2020 12:34pm)
shits is going down on police scanners at the midway center right now. The st paul reporting group stopped their coverage since they're coordinating with police and don't want to post movements, but scanner is reporting all the cars of looters showing up
either the looters get stopped at midway and police move in, or this could spread and turn into a shooting war. All they have to do is walk north 200 ft and cross university, and the fact there are lootable businesses lining university makes me think they might move that way


:( I used to live off of Minnehaha Ave E St. Paul aka 7th street going into downtown. Mostly Hmong and Black residents east of 'frog town'. Hwy 94 through Midway area is a hard line between white/black neighborhoods, sometimes 1 or 2 blocks will have HUGE socio-economic contrast. My aunt-n-law lives right on 94 quarter mile from Midway. There is like 1-2 blocks between 'gentrified' white area and black/hmong area north of 94. This is freaky as hell though, normally that area has been home of non-violent crimes as opposed to North Minneapolis.
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May 28 2020 12:12pm
'male with a crossbow at the busstop at mcdonalds'
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May 28 2020 12:16pm
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'male with a crossbow at the busstop at mcdonalds'


Daryl from The Walking Dead finally showed up
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