Quote (IceMage @ May 5 2020 07:59am)

I do care about the veracity of the claims, not because it'll change my vote, but because it's important to hold leaders accountable for their behavior. I don't want to ever even come close to adopting the Trump cult standard for leaders.

On the other hand, you're right. There's only so much evidence that can come out after all these years. This allegation is credible for sure, but there's enough evidence against it and the person who made it that it's essentially a stalemate. If I were a partisan hack, I would relentlessly hammer the inconsistencies, the weirdness of some of the accuser's behavior and statements. But I don't.... just because victims are quirky politically or inconsistent at times doesn't make them entirely illegitimate.

In addition, as you say, it's worth looking at how the accused handles the accusation. Biden has done so with grace and transparency, even if he was initially slow to respond. It's just a small sign of what's to come in a Biden administration. We'll get back to adults running the show, not whiny, incompetent toddlers.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 5 2020 10:10am)

The one thing that stuck out to me was when he was asked if Tara Reade ever filed a complaint against him and his response was

"I am absolutely positive that no one that I’m aware of ever has been made aware of any complaint, a formal complaint, made by — or a complaint by Tara Reade against me at the time this allegedly happened 27 years ago, or until I announced for pres— well, I guess it was in April or May of this year. I know of no one who’s aware that any complaint was made."

It was a simple yes or no answer and he fumbled his way through a half assed response that made little sense. Why not just straight up deny it and say there was no complaint? His response leaves a backdoor for him to come back and say "I never said there was none I just said i wasn't aware of one" if it does come to light that there was one made. He obviously would have known if there ever was one so why leave it up for interpretation.

This could just be a typical sleepy Joe gaffe where he confused himself I suppose.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 5 2020 11:10am)

The one thing that stuck out to me was when he was asked if Tara Reade ever filed a complaint against him and his response was

"I am absolutely positive that no one that I’m aware of ever has been made aware of any complaint, a formal complaint, made by — or a complaint by Tara Reade against me at the time this allegedly happened 27 years ago, or until I announced for pres— well, I guess it was in April or May of this year. I know of no one who’s aware that any complaint was made."

It was a simple yes or no answer and he fumbled his way through a half assed response that made little sense. Why not just straight up deny it and say there was no complaint? His response leaves a backdoor for him to come back and say "I never said there was none I just said i wasn't aware of one" if it does come to light that there was one made. He obviously would have known if there ever was one so why leave it up for interpretation.

This could just be a typical sleepy Joe gaffe where he confused himself I suppose.

Quote (IceMage @ May 5 2020 11:21am)

His aides unequivocally denied a claim of that sort... they didn't hide behind "I don't recall one".

You replied to that article I posted with some snarky bullshit and didn't even read it? Nice.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 5 2020 11:29am)

You talked about how he handled it in your post. I posted evidence of how he actually handled it poorly when answering a certain black and white question. I used a word for word quote of Biden's response. Sorry your boy can't speak in complete sentences.

So yeah deflect all you want buckaroo.

Quote (IceMage @ May 5 2020 11:32am)

Is Biden omniscient? He's supposed to know if an aide received a complaint from someone and trashed it?

His aides denied it outright. You would've known that had you read the story you criticized.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 5 2020 11:37am)

What the fuck are you talking about? I never quoted an article. I never criticized a story. I literally just responded to an opinion you posted.

If he didn't do it why would there be a complaint? That is the whole point.

I'm not saying he did do it. At this point we will honestly never know what actually happened. I'm just saying he didn't handle the situation as well as some of the MSM is claiming.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 4 2020 03:51am)

Here is the bio of the man who wrote that article :

@USAToday opinion columnist. Former Justice Department prosecutor. #Resisting all things Trump. #VoteBlue 🌊 #FBR #LGBT 🏳️‍🌈

:rolleyes:

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►People who contradict Reade’s claim. After the alleged assault, Reade said she complained about Biden's harassment to Marianne Baker, Biden’s executive assistant, as well as to top aides Dennis Toner and Ted Kaufman. All three Biden staffers recently told The New York Times that she made no complaint to them.

And they did not offer the standard, noncommittal “I don’t remember any such complaint.” The denials were firm. “She did not come to me. If she had, I would have remembered her,” Kaufman said. Toner made a similar statement. And from Baker: “I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct (by Biden), period." Baker said such a complaint, had Reade made it, "would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager.”

Quote (IceMage @ May 5 2020 11:41am)

This was in response to the article I posted a link to:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

Which included:



Biden's hedging is appropriate, since he's not omniscient. Furthermore, his aides at the time flatly denied it.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ May 5 2020 11:50am)

Use actual quotes of what you are responding to next time.
And I did read the entire article. It was seeping with clear bias throughout so I googled the man who wrote it. To my surprise I found out he is a gay never trumper who loves Biden. I mean come on dude....
If he knows he didn't do anything inappropriate with Tara Reade like he says there should be no reason a complaint was ever filed. It is ridiculous to think a complaint would have been filed and he wouldn't have heard about it.
I'm not saying he is guilty. Him playing the run around instead of flat out denying there was ever a claim does raise a few red flags though.

Quote (IceMage @ May 5 2020 11:58am)

You're out of your depth.