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Ain't no exchange rate in the world gonna make up for that.


True, but if you are paying fresh off the boat indian gp's $300,000 a year then something is seriously wrong with your health care system.
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Feb 14 2020 04:22am


Here's the deal. No matter what Bernie does in the polls, caucus', primaries, the DNC will remove him from the running.
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Here's the deal. No matter what Bernie does in the polls, caucus', primaries, the DNC will remove him from the running.


I think there is more chance of bernie being assassinated than becoming president.
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Feb 14 2020 04:31am
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The thing that amazes me is how many non-American supporters Bernie has.

American voters will NOT take that as a good sign.


Cuz we're 'murica!!! We don wan be liek them furreners with their healthcare and their happyness and their no mass murders.
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I think there is more chance of bernie being assassinated than becoming president.




Like they did in 2016. No need to assassinate him. Whether or not Bernie has good ideas....the DNC are capitalists too.



/e

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Cuz we're 'murica!!! We don wan be liek them furreners with their healthcare and their happyness and their no mass murders.


No, because the US is finally waking up. We're tired of giving up all those things so other countries can have them.
The US has finally wised up and realized that there is no need to "carry" the rest of the world.
Time for the other countries in the world to start "carrying" themselves.

World's definition of a global economy = the US pays for everything.

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Here's the deal. No matter what Bernie does in the polls, caucus', primaries, the DNC will remove him from the running.


here's the deal: they will certainly do everything in their power to prevent him from being their candidate, just like the GOP does everything in their power to prevent as many people from voting as possible, but there's only so much you can do. does it impact elections in a significant, and often decisive way? sure, but will it prevent the inevitable from happening long term? i don't think so.

to be competitive, both establishment democrats as well as republicans would ideally have to shift their policies in a way that benefits the majority of their voters - or, to be a bit more cynical and realistic about it, at the very least become even more stealthy and creative about fucking over the american people.
complete partisan division is helpful of course, but at the end of the day it still means that one half could rally behind someone who defies the oligarchs. buttigieg might be onto something, promising 'reasonable and gradual change', while being firmly in the pocket of those whose main interest is to prevent ANY meaningful change, but i would guess he doesn't have enough of a profile and record to sell that convincingly. i'd guess that even for americans, his act is a little too transparent, but i might be wrong about that, we'll see. but as a general approach i think that might be the best hope to maintain the status quo...
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here's the deal: they will certainly do everything in their power to prevent him from being their candidate, just like the GOP does everything in their power to prevent as many people from voting as possible, but there's only so much you can do. does it impact elections in a significant, and often decisive way? sure, but will it prevent the inevitable from happening long term? i don't think so.

to be competitive, both establishment democrats as well as republicans would ideally have to shift their policies in a way that benefits the majority of their voters - or, to be a bit more cynical and realistic about it, at the very least become even more stealthy and creative about fucking over the american people.
complete partisan division is helpful of course, but at the end of the day it still means that one half could rally behind someone who defies the oligarchs. buttigieg might be onto something, promising 'reasonable and gradual change', while being firmly in the pocket of those whose main interest is to prevent ANY meaningful change, but i would guess he doesn't have enough of a profile and record to sell that convincingly. i'd guess that even for americans, his act is a little too transparent, but i might be wrong about that, we'll see. but as a general approach i think that might be the best hope to maintain the status quo...




That only happens IF he gets nominated. In 2016 the DNC pretty much stole the nomination from Bernie and they'll do it again in 2020. You think Pelosi or the Obamas want to give up their mansions?
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That only happens IF he gets nominated. In 2016 the DNC pretty much stole the nomination from Bernie and they'll do it again in 2020. You think Pelosi or the Obamas want to give up their mansions?


Why would they give up their mansions?

Saying Bernie is a communist is like saying he is a satanist. Those are manipulative boogeyman things to trick low information voters to be scared of a person. Look at Ronald Reagan and his invention of the myth if the welfare queen driving the luxury car to the welfare office to get her check to buy shrimp and lobster. It is an effective tactic to get the dumb whites to vote for you.

There are literally no Communist in America because every citizen somewhat owns the means of production. The mains are producing everything has been so decentralized it is impossible to just seize them. If there was a Communist revolution in America Bernie Sanders would be one of the capitalist who were killed, along with you and I and all other Americans.

I'm sure the people you mentioned could just dial back their charitable donations to match the increases in their taxes. Obama has a foundation ffs.

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Feb 14 2020 02:25pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 14 Feb 2020 11:30)
I think there is more chance of bernie being assassinated than becoming president.


He's 78 years old and had a heart attack just a couple of months ago. Really not hard to imagine him genuinely having another heart attack while on the stressful campaign trail. And if he doesnt, he might still have a ""heart attack"" if he comes too close to winning the nomination.


Quote (fender @ 14 Feb 2020 11:44)
here's the deal: they will certainly do everything in their power to prevent him from being their candidate, just like the GOP does everything in their power to prevent as many people from voting as possible, but there's only so much you can do. does it impact elections in a significant, and often decisive way? sure, but will it prevent the inevitable from happening long term? i don't think so.

to be competitive, both establishment democrats as well as republicans would ideally have to shift their policies in a way that benefits the majority of their voters - or, to be a bit more cynical and realistic about it, at the very least become even more stealthy and creative about fucking over the american people.
complete partisan division is helpful of course, but at the end of the day it still means that one half could rally behind someone who defies the oligarchs. buttigieg might be onto something, promising 'reasonable and gradual change', while being firmly in the pocket of those whose main interest is to prevent ANY meaningful change, but i would guess he doesn't have enough of a profile and record to sell that convincingly. i'd guess that even for americans, his act is a little too transparent, but i might be wrong about that, we'll see. but as a general approach i think that might be the best hope to maintain the status quo...


Most Bernie and Trump supporters are already calling Buttigieg out for being an obvious plant. Center-left Democrats might still like him, but I dont think that he will gain traction in more diverse primary states.


Quote (Skinned @ 14 Feb 2020 13:00)
Why would they give up their mansions?

Saying Bernie is a communist is like saying he is a satanist. Those are manipulative boogeyman things to trick low information voters to be scared of a person. Look at Ronald Reagan and his invention of the myth if the welfare queen driving the luxury car to the welfare office to get her check to buy shrimp and lobster. It is an effective tactic to get the dumb whites to vote for you.

There are literally no Communist in America because every citizen somewhat owns the means of production. The mains are producing everything has been so decentralized it is impossible to just seize them. If there was a Communist revolution in America Bernie Sanders would be one of the capitalist who were killed, along with you and I and all other Americans.

I'm sure the people you mentioned could just dial back their charitable donations to match the increases in their taxes. Obama has a foundation ffs.


Bernie might not be a communist, but he's an avowing socialist. I dont think that someone like him could persuade a meaningful number of swing voters, so his entire campaign strategy would be predicated on turnout. Really not sure if that's a winning strategy.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 14 2020 02:25pm
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He's 78 years old and had a heart attack just a couple of months ago. Really not hard to imagine him genuinely having another heart attack while on the stressful campaign trail. And if he doesnt, he might still have a ""heart attack"" if he comes too close to winning the nomination.




Most Bernie and Trump supporters are already calling Buttigieg out for being an obvious plant. Center-left Democrats might still like him, but I dont think that he will gain traction in more diverse primary states.




Bernie might not be a communist, but he's an avowing socialist. I dont think that someone like him could persuade a meaningful number of swing voters, so his entire campaign strategy would be predicated on turnout. Really not sure if that's a winning strategy.


He could just run on his history of fiscal conservatism a consumer advocacy. I might be the perfect foil to somebody who stiffs his contractors
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