You can search my posts back to 2006 and find me saying we should boot Turkey from NATO and carve out a homeland for the Kurds. The left believes in intervention in situations like Rwanda, The Yugoslavia conflict, etc. We don’t believe in intervention for the sake of “liberating” national resources on behalf of private corporations and feeding private military contractors, which is what Iraq and Afghanistan are.

Honestly the current borders in the Middle East for drawn by people with little to no knowledge of the politics of the area. We really should just erase the borders left by imperialism and allow the people to decide new ones

yeah... but... most of hte wars in the area are due to disputes over the current borders. and most if not all peace talks stall or die completely. the idea that this group of rag tag adventurers could wander into a conference room and come away with agreeable borders isn't reality. intersecting holy sites, scant natural resources, intersecting ethnic groups, etc.

i wonder what the 'b-b-but i'm strictly non-interventionist and therefore this was a good move' crowd has to say about trump escalating tensions with iran for no logical reason, which lead to an increase of american military presence in the region. funny how he's only 'non-interventionist' where russia and turkey have a strong interest in an american withdrawal...



vladimir's birthday present from donnie.

as bitter as the pill that kurds will have to swallow by turning towards syria and russia may be, it's still better than genocide i guess.

Russia was already the big geopolitical winner once the Russian/Iranian/Assad alliance won the Syrian civil war - and that was before Trump even took office. Note that they had to spend a fuckton of money and plenty of lives to achieve this.




true taken by itself, but still wrong in the greater scheme of things. implying that the Turks wouldnt have found a way to get rid of that super small US outpost in Rojava is similarly silly.


they could just have sent some of their islamistic mercenaries, excuse me, I meant "brave rebels fighting against the murderous dictator Assad", to do the dirty work for them. "islamists attack US soldiers in northeastern syria, turkish forces come to their rescue."

or they could have leveraged their geopolitical position, threaten to turn even more towards russia and against nato interests. or threaten to open the refugee floodgates and throw europe into complete turmoil, which would inflict substantial damage on the world economy, and therefore indirectly on Trump's reelection prospects. (that this floodgate option even exists is solely on the fucking stupid european politicians who after all the years still refuse to truly protect the EU's outer border, but still...)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2019 10:55am

We're talking about a small monkey finding a way to pull a tiger's tail.

this talk about the Turks finding a way to invade Syria without a US pullout is ridiculous. can we all just stop? this is pure and simple cause and effect, Turkey is invading because the US pulled out. they never would have without us signalling we're leaving.

This conflict is not new. Every 100 years the Jews rape and pillage all the Christians in northern syria. It's part of their "stamping out the amalekites"

In 1519 Martin Luther wrote about it.
In 1619 NYT writes about it as part of their slavery program
In 1719 Mark Twain wrote about it whe he visited Palestine
In 1819 the Royal Institute released an encyclopedia of the ottoman and jew rapes
In 1919 literally every historian wrote about the Armenian genocide there
In 2019 they at it again

https://www.timesofisrael.com/before-the-holocaust-ottoman-jews-supported-the-armenian-genocides-architect/

This post was edited by MaliceMizer on Oct 15 2019 11:14am

You have it backwards.

We're leaving because they are coming. They've been saying they were coming for years now just most people in the west didn't care to listen.

and Kim is just a few short weeks from annihilating the USA's west coast...

the US army runs in fear of the Turks. give me a fucking break. they wouldn't cut the short and curlys off a single marine. as if we can't start doing bombing runs of them (just like we're doing and have done to countries for decades) without even a single invasion. the aircraft carriers are there and ready to go staged in the Gulf. the second they make an aggressive move we bomb all of their domestic bases.

this whole narrative is one of the more idiotic ideas i've come across in PARD in years. i simply wont entertain it. conversation over. it's that stupid. i'll spend my lunch trolling the d2 trade forums instead.





pass ^ 2

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 15 2019 11:26am

They could have invaded parts of their corridor along the border where there are no US troops. Which is most of them. And again, there was not a whole brigade of US troops stationed in the region, just a few dozen.

What would the US do if islamistic mercenaries attacked these few dozens of US troops, perhaps blew some of them up with suicide attacks? Declare a war on fucking Turkey on the unprovable suspicion that these attackers were working on behalf of the Turks? Kick Turkey out of the NATO and find yourself with your back against the wall when Russia, Iran and Turkey join forces in the region?

You guys are delusional if you think that the US government would value the lives of a few dozen soldiers higher than the costs of such a development unless there is clear and irrefutable evidence for Turkish responsibility.



The truth is that with very weak US presence in the region and a Turkish government hell-bent on its invasion and willing to take some risks, the situation was unsustainable. The options for the intermediate future were to either deploy more troops to northeastern syria, or to withdraw, or to put the lives of the soldiers who were already there at great risk.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2019 11:23am