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Aug 17 2017 12:07pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Aug 17 2017 12:05pm)
Those aggressive Allied forces! Committing violence against Nazis! What terrible people attacking these peaceful, benevolent promoters of loving and kind ethnic cleansing.


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Aug 17 2017 12:51pm
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As a proud Never Trumper and a regular defender of media outlets like CNN, WaPo, etc, this article is spot on. I haven't seen the media be this dishonest and hysterical in years.

I think the worst part of the coverage is the constant debate on "how many Trump supporters agree with the president excusing or justifying white supremacists". It's just pathetic.


For sure. They're staring millions of Americans in the face & claiming Trump & his base are neo nazi sympathizers, & that nobody on the left, antifa, blm, are ever violent. They're self-destructing

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Aug 17 2017 01:02pm
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For sure. They're staring millions of Americans in the face & claiming Trump & his base are neo nazi sympathizers, & that nobody on the left, antifa, blm, are ever violent. They're self-destructing


Violence against Nazis is a net good. Nazis are evil.
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Aug 17 2017 01:04pm
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Violence against Nazis is a net good. Nazis are evil.


Yes, you've got full blown Israeli shill
"2 gorillion died in the gas chambers, therefore violence and oppression against this unrelated third party 70 years later is justified"
I've heard this same deplorable babble from our resident mossad wannabes.
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Aug 17 2017 01:07pm
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Yes, you've got full blown Israeli shill
"2 gorillion died in the gas chambers, therefore violence and oppression against this unrelated third party 70 years later is justified"
I've heard this same deplorable babble from our resident mossad wannabes.


Zionists are also evil. I support the Neturei Karta with monthly financial contributions.

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Aug 17 2017 01:30pm
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An outstanding General who felt mistreated and planned to sabotage the US Continental Army and defect?

It's quite simple , Lee was a confederate General. And should confederate monuments/statues be allowed in a country where said Confederacy basically doesn't really exist?

I think it would be perfectly fine to have Confederate Museums but I think you should probably have statues/monuments of people who represent the United States for public buildings.


Lee was so unrepresentative of these United States that Lincoln wanted him general of the union army, and the ideological heros of the Democratic party historically(FDR and JFK) praised him.

I think it's easy to look back 150+ years removed from slavery and see the clear moral choice between the union and confederacy, but in the context of the times I don't think it was that simple. It's sort of interesting that men who lived much closer to the civil war looked at Lee as a great American, but you can't see it.
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Zionists are also evil. I support the Neturei Karta with monthly financial contributions.


You just echoed their talking points. You believe you can justify violence against alt-righters protesting pro-confederacy because 70 years ago the third reich killed jews.
Why, I've already heard Netanyahu talk about how the Grand Mufti was the real architect of the Holocaust and the Palestinians are really responsible for the gas chambers.
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Aug 17 2017 01:33pm
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You just echoed their talking points. You believe you can justify violence against alt-righters protesting pro-confederacy because 70 years ago the third reich killed jews.
Why, I've already heard Netanyahu talk about how the Grand Mufti was the real architect of the Holocaust and the Palestinians are really responsible for the gas chambers.


Oh I get it. It's neo-Nazi now, which is super new. That shiny neo in front of the word makes history irrelevant. Let's just allow these kind and lovely human beings to benevolently spread their message of a beautiful, ethnically pure society. What could go wrong?
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Lee was so unrepresentative of these United States that Lincoln wanted him general of the union army, and the ideological heros of the Democratic party historically(FDR and JFK) praised him.

I think it's easy to look back 150+ years removed from slavery and see the clear moral choice between the union and confederacy, but in the context of the times I don't think it was that simple. It's sort of interesting that men who lived much closer to the civil war looked at Lee as a great American, but you can't see it.


were you trying to refute yourself there or did that happen by accident?

anyway, "in the context of the times" is one thing, but we don't live in these times anymore - how many 3rd reich general statues do you think we built to worship here? there is no reason to keep glorifying slavery proponents and traitors - especially considering many of those monuments were erected in the 20th century in times of racial turmoil. also, a significant part of lee's extended family sided with the union, so please don't spare me the apologetic bs - you said it yourself, he could have chosen the right side but he CHOSE to fight for slavery.

should his story be taught in context and is he a significant figure in american history? absolutely, but that's stuff for museums and history books - not something to have in front of court and state houses...
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