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Quote (sylvannos @ Mar 27 2016 07:32pm)
That seems like a contradiction. If God's will can be enacted while giving us free will, then it seems God could also have made creation without evil while maintaining free will.


You are right, he could have done many things differently. The fact of the matter is, he chose the way that he chose. I for one will not question God but deal with it as it is. I for one know that nothing will change if I question the LORD God almighty so there is no point is there?
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god was perfect but extremely bored; he decided to split a bit, creating the universe and humanity; at this point things started to seriously messing up
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You are right, he could have done many things differently. The fact of the matter is, he chose the way that he chose. I for one will not question God but deal with it as it is. I for one know that nothing will change if I question the LORD God almighty so there is no point is there?


...that Christianity and the Abrahamic religions lead to moral nihilism when taken to their full conclusion when discussing evil. The fact most people can come up with better solutions to the world's problems with less power and knowledge than God speaks volumes of God's incompetence as a so-called god. It's more likely the god in the bible either doesn't exist or the bible is wrong about the supernatural than Christianity being correct.

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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 27 2016 01:54am)
...I hope that upon reflection you understand the contradiction .


How then is God all powerful if he can't overrule contradictions and be outside of logic? If God just "always was" before time and creation, why couldn't he create a universe composed of good and less good? Isn't heaven itself free from evil, yet everything there has free will?

So which is it? God can create places without evil and maintain free will, or God can't create things against logic and physics?






This post was edited by sylvannos on Mar 27 2016 07:37am
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Quote (CPK001 @ Mar 26 2016 09:11pm)
Typical response from a typical response. Here is my typical response to your typical response which will result in your typical response.

There is God's will and our free will. God's will, will always be done. Yet we retain our free will. Our free will and God's will do not run in parallel but rather they are intertwined. God can use our free will to make God's will be done.

That does not mean God does not honor free will. God allowed Adam and Eve to choose between obeying him or disobeying him with the fruit of the tree. God could have stopped them from eating off the tree but he didn't.

Then there is Jesus crucified. All the crowd and soldiers did indeed have free will but God used their free will to have his will be accomplished. Crucifying Jesus was intended to be evil yet God used that very thing to bring glory to him.



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Quote (sylvannos @ Mar 27 2016 11:31pm)
...that Christianity and the Abrahamic religions lead to moral nihilism when taken to their full conclusion when discussing evil. The fact most people can come up with better solutions to the world's problems with less power and knowledge than God speaks volumes of God's incompetence as a so-called god. It's more likely the god in the bible either doesn't exist or the bible is wrong about the supernatural than Christianity being correct.

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How then is God all powerful if he can't overrule contradictions and be outside of logic? If God just "always was" before time and creation, why couldn't he create a universe composed of good and less good? Isn't heaven itself free from evil, yet everything there has free will?

So which is it? God can create places without evil and maintain free will, or God can't create things against logic and physics?


Better solutions you say? What do you define as a better solution? Success with less suffering and struggling? The easy solution? All you can do is make a decision based on the very small perspective that you have whereas God sees everything and has the entire picture. He knows and sees something that you don't.

What does happen when everything is easy and life is on cloud 9? In my experience those whose life is going smoothly, they forget about God and live only for this life. They reject God because in their own power they serve themselves. The Bible does have a story about that very thing. The Bible also has a story about questioning God.

Then again, the Bible also says that if you do not listen to Moses and the Prophets then neither will you believe if somebody were to raise from the dead and tell them. Or in this scenario should I say you won't believe the words of anyone if you won't believe the words of the Prophets.

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That moment when you have nothing left and you just spell check someone.


Congratu-fucking-lations. You have managed to put together an entire sentence without a single error! You are now qualified to move up to the 2nd grade in School.
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Better solutions you say? What do you define as a better solution? Success with less suffering and struggling? The easy solution? All you can do is make a decision based on the very small perspective that you have whereas God sees everything and has the entire picture. He knows and sees something that you don't.

What does happen when everything is easy and life is on cloud 9? In my experience those whose life is going smoothly, they forget about God and live only for this life. They reject God because in their own power they serve themselves. The Bible does have a story about that very thing. The Bible also has a story about questioning God.

Then again, the Bible also says that if you do not listen to Moses and the Prophets then neither will you believe if somebody were to raise from the dead and tell them. Or in this scenario should I say you won't believe the words of anyone if you won't believe the words of the Prophets.



Congratu-fucking-lations. You have managed to put together an entire sentence without a single error! You are now qualified to move up to the 2nd grade in School.


Yet this 2nd grader can tell the difference in fairy tale vs reality. This is all you got left? Pathetic. Yahweh would be disappointed.

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How then is God all powerful if he can't overrule contradictions and be outside of logic? If God just "always was" before time and creation, why couldn't he create a universe composed of good and less good? Isn't heaven itself free from evil, yet everything there has free will?

So which is it? God can create places without evil and maintain free will, or God can't create things against logic and physics?


...this is very simple...without evil there is no reason or purpose for free will to exist . Think it through .

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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 28 Mar 2016 03:59)
...this is very simple...without evil there is no reason or purpose for free will to exist . Think it through .


I don't agree.
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I don't agree.


...without evil we would not have the choice to be evil or good .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 27 2016 08:16pm)
...without evil we would not have the choice to be evil or good .


We make so many morally neutral decisions every day though
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