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Mar 25 2023 12:28pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 25 2023 11:22am)
I think someone might come in and say that they are defending the " Russian Speaking Region " of Ukraine.
Look this is a very complicated issue.....

Anyways the invasion was wrong and sovereignty should be upheld and respected in any situation.
Including Crimea..

That is just my opinion and a more sino centric opinion. However things are not going to be the same .


This topic is also me trying to state It's just a personal opinion not something that should be implemented or some sort of change in the way countries deal with it.
Too much emotional damage in here for stuff like that I guess. lol
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This topic is also me trying to state It's just a personal opinion not something that should be implemented or some sort of change in the way countries deal with it.
Too much emotional damage in here for stuff like that I guess. lol


I think all of us, no matter what stance we take on this war whether from a moral point of view or Realpolitik point of view is just unusually affected by it .
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Something just struck me today when I m casually reading news. I just want your opinion on the similarity or at least some comments on it.

While the War is raging on in Ukraine with the Russian invasion. I just read that a US contractor is being killed in a drone strike in North Syria and some US personnel is being injured.

Here is the key question. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal from a worldview since it is a sovereign country.
Now there can be arguments on these below by Russia.

1. Nato expanding Eastward
2. They are protecting the Russian speaking and pro Russian region in the East, Donbass, Crimea etc etc.
3. It was a civil war in a way because the Pro Western West Ukraine have been doing some nasty things to the Pro Russian East ( Azov etc etc )
4. Lets not Kid ourselves , before this Ukraine Invasion , The Western media and MSM have been reporting day in and out in regards to the Azov regime and the nasty things they did and labeled them Nazi to a point where Congress is going to label them a terrorist Unit.

So Nato and the West is doing their best and giving them support in anyway they can sanctions , weapons , trainings etc etc to fend back the invaders. And it is absolutely fair to say that such an action from Russia is illegal ....well Ukraine is a sovereign state.

Then I read the story of the drone strike that killed an American contractor today and something struck me.

So I am wondering.........Syria is also going through a civil war. And this war is still ongoing etc etc .....
I just realized that America have a base in Syria and some of their troops are guarding the oil fields and they are supporting , providing hardware and software to the West friendly Anti Syrian government troops.
But it seems that nobody really talk about it for the longest time.

It makes me ponder................I mean isn't Syria a sovereign country too? Why did Nato / America set up a military base there ? Supporting the Anti Syrian government is ok because the key is to topple Bashar al-Assad and change his government ?

I mean...... :huh:

I just googled this



So US conducting an airstrike in Syria after " Iranian " drones struck a US base ? and Killed a US contractor because the Drone strike a US outpost build in a Sovereign state that is " illegally " occupied by " Freedom Forces " supported by the West ? While that particular area still officially belongs to the Sovereign state which is the current Syrian government.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 25 2023 01:13pm
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 25 2023 07:28pm)
This topic is also me trying to state It's just a personal opinion not something that should be implemented or some sort of change in the way countries deal with it.
Too much emotional damage in here for stuff like that I guess. lol


your suggesting killing PoWs etc, whislt being oblivious to the fact that the other side would retaliate with the exact same thing, dooming your own.

Then you talk about "emotional" damage, whilst you the most subjective&emotional person here (with exception of scottish guy who had mental break down)

dumb ass

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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 25 2023 03:12pm)

well, that and them being literal nazi war criminals in this case
If you told me just three years ago the US would be shipping arms to Nazi war criminals in the year 2023 I'd say you're the one that banged your head but here we are


So much for the shining city on the hill eh?
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 25 2023 06:57pm)
^ferdia, ^malopx, ^DizzyBusiness, ^ownyaah

Something just struck me today when I m casually reading news. I just want your opinion on the similarity or at least some comments on it.

While the War is raging on in Ukraine with the Russian invasion. I just read that a US contractor is being killed in a drone strike in North Syria and some US personnel is being injured.

Here is the key question. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal from a worldview since it is a sovereign country.
Now there can be arguments on these below by Russia.

1. Nato expanding Eastward
2. They are protecting the Russian speaking and pro Russian region in the East, Donbass, Crimea etc etc.
3. It was a civil war in a way because the Pro Western West Ukraine have been doing some nasty things to the Pro Russian East ( Azov etc etc )
4. Lets not Kid ourselves , before this Ukraine Invasion , The Western media and MSM have been reporting day in and out in regards to the Azov regime and the nasty things they did and labeled them Nazi to a point where Congress is going to label them a terrorist Unit.

So Nato and the West is doing their best and giving them support in anyway they can sanctions , weapons , trainings etc etc to fend back the invaders. And it is absolutely fair to say that such an action from Russia is illegal ....well Ukraine is a sovereign state.

Then I read the story of the drone strike that killed an American contractor today and something struck me.

So I am wondering.........Syria is also going through a civil war. And this war is still ongoing etc etc .....
I just realized that America have a base in Syria and some of their troops are guarding the oil fields and they are supporting , providing hardware and software to the West friendly Anti Syrian government troops.
But it seems that nobody really talk about it for the longest time.

It makes me ponder................I mean isn't Syria a sovereign country too? Why did Nato / America set up a military base there ? Supporting the Anti Syrian government is ok because the key is to topple Bashar al-Assad and change his government ?

I mean...... :huh:


I already alluded to this previosly, provided a video and made commentary. it was not picked up for discussion. The US has interests in Syria, therefore they are in Syria. its as simple as that. There is no justification or right for the US to be there, but they are the US, so whatever they are doing there is largely ignored. There is alot you can read about the issue if you want but ultimately no one cares.

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Quote (ferdia @ Mar 25 2023 04:17pm)
I already alluded to this previosly, provided a video and made commentary. it was not picked up for discussion. The US has interests in Syria, therefore they are in Syria. its as simple as that. There is no justification or right for the US to be there, but they are the US, so whatever they are doing there is largely ignored. There is alot you can read about the issue if you want but ultimately no one cares.


I have basically the same view as this, there is no justification for it apart from pursuing US interests in the region, and no one will care because CNN or FOX (or any MSM) won't be showing the American people 24/7 coverage of how it is affecting the syrian people, or if they do, it will be in order to promote further US involvement.

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Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 25 2023 12:05pm)
your suggesting killing PoWs etc, whislt being oblivious to the fact that the other side would retaliate with the exact same thing, dooming your own.

Then you talk about "emotional" damage, whilst you the most subjective&emotional person here (with exception of scottish guy who had mental break down)

dumb ass


That’s not what I’m taking about killin pows try again
To be clear I’m talking about killing them before they become prisoners

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Mar 25 2023 01:31pm
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