Djunior: the war is wrong and a disaster for many countries

fender: engages in mental gymnastics to prove that Djunior is lying and is a bootlicker, war apologist, and so on (insert fender-style mad rant)



This post was edited by Djunior on Mar 22 2023 10:58am

what is there to respond to? it's just long debunked talking points in broken english. it's "NATO bases 200 km from moscow" all over again. lies and fabrications, propaganda and fiction. you literally don't have an argument that i haven't already destroyed.

several NATO countries ALREADY border russia, the whole "pootin was afraid of NATO missiles, and that's why he's murdering innocent people" talking point makes no sense to begin with, and it gets even more absurd when you consider that ukraine didn't even have a path into NATO when russia started its invasion in 2022, and that conquering ukraine would put even more "russian" territory into NATO missile range. nothing adds up.

maybe ask your caretaker for better talking points, you're just embarrassing yourself here...

Ukraine is historically the source of Russia; Vikings then Kiyv for centuries. The bad boy was Muscovy which later for finally a relative short time, when we check the whole middle age, invaded whole area.
Historically... ? Crimea definitely belongs to Tatars and not Russians. Tatar have been oppressed up to today by Russian regime.

In 1991 Crimea belonged to Ukraine: slaming you for ever into the oblivion of historical facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Independence_of_Ukraine

That's it: another war to know who will have Crimea. I am not sure that Russia will be able to keep it so easity, we will see. Precious strategic place for sure.



https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/3/19/russia-continues-to-oppress-crimeas-tatars/

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 22 2023 11:10am

fender: the iraq war was wrong. america's illegal invasion and occupation of the country cost countless lives. bush is a war criminal. now be a man and say the same about russia, junior.

junior: w-w-well the WAR in ukraine is wrong. b-b-but it's america's fault, and NATO's, and the EU's. pootin did nothing wrong, he's just murdering innocent people because evil westerners made him do it.


talk about mental gymnastics, kremlin bot...

you destroyed what? you just were making fun of my bad english and calling peoples kremlinbots for not supporting western propaganda

you didnt answer anything.

again:
#1 Did the West promise not to expand east?
#2 Do you understand russia doesnt want nato bases at its borders like usa doesnt want russian bases at us borders?
#3 Why does Nato expand eastwords? for what reason?

1 west never promised anything 2 russia has no base at its borders, borders are thin lines you cant built a base over a line, basic maths 3 Nato doesn't expand by itself: it's countries who want to protect themselves who are joining it.

I mean sure, I think most Russians and pro-russians would be content with calling Putin a war criminal 20 years after the conclusion of the Ukraine war (you gotta be precise in the comparison). Would be pretty nice to achieve military/political goals and 20 years later put the blame on 1 person, all the negative side-effects at least.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Mar 22 2023 11:46am

Crimea is majority Russian (65%+), not tartar. If you are talking about historical majority, then yes. In that case, feel free to tell the US to be given back to Indians.

The problem with people like you is the sadistic selectivity. Democracy, but never in catalonia, bahrain, crimea etc

Then again, can´t expect much from a gender-mutant

This post was edited by ownyaah on Mar 22 2023 11:54am

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Crimean_sovereignty_referendum
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Autonomous_Soviet_Socialist_Republic_(1991–1992)

"On 12 February 1991, the status of the Crimean Oblast was changed to that of autonomous republic by the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR as the result of a state-sanctioned referendum held on 20 January 1991.[1] 4 months later, on June 19, appropriate changes were made to the Constitution of the Ukrainian SSR."