Quote (Djunior @ 19 Mar 2023 21:24)

First you verbally attack the creator of a topic via PM and now this, reporting this insanity

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 19 Mar 2023 20:09)

The bootlickers are thriving it seems, good luck when you all get drafted mobiks.

And kudos to ^ferdia for enabling the bullshit, well done man.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 19 2023 09:28pm)

And you too, enabler. Collaborating with supporters of war criminals. Pathetic.

Quote (ferdia @ Mar 19 2023 09:35pm)

The only reason why Tony Blair was not sent to jail for being a war criminal was because they didnt have a law for what he did. Only after he did it did they realise how messed up it was what he did. The they wrote a law and of course they did not then review historic violaters of the law so he's walknig around happy.

Finally, as has already been noted, Besides Russia and Ukraine, the United States and China are not members of the 123-member ICC. One law for the weak and one for the strong. So you can carry on and deplore Putin and by all means call me a w/e you want (but bear in mind if you flame I will report each of your posts as I have these) but ultimately all this ICC and Drone stuff is doing is escalating the war and bringing the US and Russia closer to a direct confrontation, which it would appear you and others are itching for.

Quote (ferdia @ Mar 19 2023 09:35pm)

The only reason why Tony Blair was not sent to jail for being a war criminal was because they didnt have a law for what he did. Only after he did it did they realise how messed up it was what he did. The they wrote a law and of course they did not then review historic violaters of the law so he's walknig around happy.

Finally, as has already been noted, Besides Russia and Ukraine, the United States and China are not members of the 123-member ICC. One law for the weak and one for the strong. So you can carry on and deplore Putin and by all means call me a w/e you want (but bear in mind if you flame I will report each of your posts as I have these) but ultimately all this ICC and Drone stuff is doing is escalating the war and bringing the US and Russia closer to a direct confrontation, which it would appear you and others are itching for. In a sane world all of the superpowers would sign up to the ICC and they would not have a veto in the UN and we would all be equal but thats not how the world works and has not for a long time if ever.

ofc fender with a cheap shot. typical fender.

Quote (ferdia @ 19 Mar 2023 22:35)

The only reason why Tony Blair was not sent to jail for being a war criminal was because they didnt have a law for what he did. Only after he did it did they realise how messed up it was what he did. The they wrote a law and of course they did not then review historic violaters of the law so he's walknig around happy.

Finally, as has already been noted, Besides Russia and Ukraine, the United States and China are not members of the 123-member ICC. One law for the weak and one for the strong. So you can carry on and deplore Putin and by all means call me a w/e you want (but bear in mind if you flame I will report each of your posts as I have these) but ultimately all this ICC and Drone stuff is doing is escalating the war and bringing the US and Russia closer to a direct confrontation, which it would appear you and others are itching for. In a sane world all of the superpowers would sign up to the ICC and they would not have a veto in the UN and we would all be equal but thats not how the world works and has not for a long time if ever.

ofc fender with a cheap shot. typical fender.

Quote (dro94 @ 19 Mar 2023 22:47)

Tony Blair made the wrong call in retrospect, but using the available evidence he had at the time, many would have come to the same conclusion.

- Saddam had a history of aggressive actions: invading and annexing Kuwait, subsequently killing 100,000 Iraqi civilians in an uprising after it failed
- He used chemical weapons against his own people in the 90s, confirmed
- He subverted/kicked out chemical weapons inspectors over 10 times over the years

Then on top of that, MI6 were telling Blair (incorrectly) with confidence that their intelligence confirmed Saddam still had WMD. MI6 were more to blame than Blair.

Quote (fender @ Mar 19 2023 10:21pm)

strongly disagree. there were massive public protests at the time, several countries (like france, germany, russia...), as well as well-regarded foreign policy experts and diplomats opposing the war, proving that position was well-established, and the rationale behind the war was anything but convincing. the MI6 might have provided blair with plausible deniability (no one in the public actually knows what he really was told, what he really knew though), but that doesn't absolve him from the fact it was a massive mistake with dire consequences. i'm not saying he was in an easy position politically - the americans were exerting a great deal of pressure on their allies, but what it comes down to is that he ultimately followed the blood-thirsty yanks into their unjust bullshit war while others didn't. a political career (that fucker still unapologetically comments on every single issue like some kind of authority) might not be an easy price to pay, but it's still a small one compared to the millions of lives that war ended up costing.

the likes of bush and blair most definitely deserve to be in front of the ICC. the fact they aren't, the fact that countries like the US, china, and russia simply don't acknowledge the court makes it ultimately meaningless - even though pootin is obviously a war criminal and deserves to stand trial for the atrocities he committed (even though he of course never will).

Quote (dro94 @ Mar 19 2023 10:35pm)

Correction: it was a massive mistake for the Americans. They committed 95% of the invading force, and even more of the occupying force. We didn't commit that much.

The main damage we suffered was arguably reputational, but still, that was directed more at Blair than the nation. I've always found it a bit of a shame that the best PM we had since Attlee destroyed his reputation from one foreign policy blunder that didn't have domestic consequences.

Ultimately he acted on MI6 intelligence and pressure from the Americans, he was rational in his decision making and genuinely thought it was for the good of the people there.

Quote (dro94 @ 19 Mar 2023 23:35)

Correction: it was a massive mistake for the Americans. They committed 95% of the invading force, and even more of the occupying force. We didn't commit that much.

The main damage we suffered was arguably reputational, but still, that was directed more at Blair than the nation. I've always found it a bit of a shame that the best PM we had since Attlee destroyed his reputation from one foreign policy blunder that didn't have domestic consequences.

Ultimately he acted on MI6 intelligence and pressure from the Americans, he was rational in his decision making and genuinely thought it was for the good of the people there.