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Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 19 2021 12:24pm)
We have already covered, at great length, how the Democratic party used Russian and other foreign assets to try and procure damaging information on Trump.

High-ranking Democratic officials maintained active relations with Iranian officials, a country that we know has killed and is trying to kill Americans, in an effort to directly undermine American foreign policy.

In the first case, however, it would not be bad to procure damaging information on Trump from whatever source unless that information is false, as was unfortunately the case. The damaging information on Hunter Biden does not appear to be false, so we are all justifiably concerned that Biden is calling him the "...smartest guy I know".


Maybe you should lay out which examples you are referring to, and then somebody could respond. My guess is you're conflating Western-intelligence assets that had Russian sources, with other assets that were clearly aligned with Russian interests.
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Mar 19 2021 03:04pm


Back in the good ol' days.

Not photoshopped btw.
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Back in the good ol' days.

Not photoshopped btw.



Humor is a difficult concept for some.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 19 2021 03:23pm)
Humor is a difficult concept for some.


its definitely hard to find the joke in something when you're frothing at the fucking mouth lol
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its definitely hard to find the joke in something when you're frothing at the fucking mouth lol

miserable people like icepeon wouldn’t find chris rock or dave chappelle or george carlin funny, much less obvious bait from faux news
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/

A nice takedown of Alex Berenson, the guy who goes on Fox News to spread vaccine misinformation to the audience of elderly people.
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Apr 20 2021 09:07am
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1384480233001209862

Thread on what an epic failure Glenn Greenwald is.
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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 20 2021 11:07am)
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1384480233001209862

Thread on what an epic failure Glenn Greenwald is.


Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. It is not a mystery. There is no evidence that bear spray or any other chemical agent had a role in his death. There was certainly no fire extinguisher. The media narrative was completely and utterly incorrect. The only intentional death that day was an unarmed Trump supporter who was shot to death by Capitol police.

I was asking a few days after the riot, "How did Sicknick die?", and no one had an answer. His family's statements directly contradicted the "unnamed" source within the Police Department who suggested to the NYT and others that it might have been a fire extinguisher. \

In a normal world, the New York Times would explain how they got this so fantastically wrong, what organizational failures were at play, and what measures (i.e. terminations, discipline, and added oversight) they've taken to correct for their string of astoundingly awful mistakes. But of course they won't, because as Greenwald notes, their readers are invested in this being the truth, and would prefer to gaslight it away and pretend Greenwald is some conspiracy theorist instead of an over-sensitive yet largely correct journalist on these specific issues.

You either believe that the NYT is an unprofessional and incompetent outlet, or that they relaxed standards and avoided questions that would conflict with the narrative.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Apr 20 2021 11:01am
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Brian Sicknick died of natural causes. It is not a mystery. There is no evidence that bear spray or any other chemical agent had a role in his death. There was certainly no fire extinguisher. The media narrative was completely and utterly incorrect. The only intentional death that day was an unarmed Trump supporter who was shot to death by Capitol police.

I was asking a few days after the riot, "How did Sicknick die?", and no one had an answer. His family's statements directly contradicted the "unnamed" source within the Police Department who suggested to the NYT and others that it might have been a fire extinguisher. \

In a normal world, the New York Times would explain how they got this so fantastically wrong, what organizational failures were at play, and what measures (i.e. terminations, discipline, and added oversight) they've taken to correct for their string of astoundingly awful mistakes. But of course they won't, because as Greenwald notes, their readers are invested in this being the truth, and would prefer to gaslight it away and pretend Greenwald is some conspiracy theorist instead of an over-sensitive yet largely correct journalist on these specific issues.

You either believe that the NYT is an unprofessional and incompetent outlet, or that they relaxed standards and avoided questions that would conflict with the narrative.


Greenwald staked out the position because he's sympathetic to Trump supporters and hates people opposed to Trump, and he ended up being right about the possibility that the cause of death wasn't related to the insurrection, even though when a cop randomly dies after an incident like that, most reasonable people assume it had something to do with the incident. Anyone who watched footage inside and around the Capitol knows that this was a violent crowd. The shooting of that woman was completely justified. Of course, the twitter thread was more than just the narrow question on how Sicknick died. As far as Greenwald being largely correct on these issues, I disagree. He's been hyper skeptical of plenty of stories that turn out to be credible, typically when it's regarding Trump or Russia. The guy waited three years to start believing that Russia actually did hack the DNC. I posted a twitter thread in the collusion thread covering that.

There's a basic level of trust that exists between media figures and public officials... I don't know that it's a bad thing. It occurs at all levels of the news business. Sometimes the public officials turn out to be wrong, even though they were in a position to know the truth, and no blatant motivation to lie about it. The amount of valid information released by anonymous sources far outweighs the incorrect information... it's not even close.

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Anyone who watched footage inside and around the Capitol knows that this was a violent crowd. The shooting of that woman was completely justified.


I disagree that the shooting was cut and dry.

While I lean towards the police in this specific instance because of their location and the high value of the personell they were defending, I think there's an argument to be made that non-lethal methods should have been attempted first.
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