Quote (thesnipa @ May 28 2020 10:14am)
correct. there are trade's unions who are entirely unskilled, and they're as desperate for labor as any other union. job site cleaners, intro road construction labor, insulation spraying, etc. none of these are considered "skilled trades" because the training is done on the jobsite, and is in general very low training anyways.
none of these unions, which all have a demand for labor, wanted anything to do with convicts. why would an electrical union which is in demand of labor want an electrician who got trained by a cut rate program in a federal prison over someone with no record who went to a technical college on their own dime? apprenticeships are largely dead anyways in most trades, so its a choice of tech school kid over older convict.
now in a real sense would this help some small percent of convicts get jobs, of course, anything u do can have an affect. its just not going to change enough to justify developing and implementing the program.
in general bob, you're indeed doing that thing you do. flavoring your posts with an air of knowledge and authority as if you're correct. do you have any experience trying to place convicts in the midwest rural areas with trades unions? if not maybe consider shutting up when responding to someone who literally did that as a job lol. you sounds like a flat earther ranting at an airline pilot. shhhh
You're very specific about unions. Contractor work and employer work makes up well over 70% of trade work today. There are more people unemployed right now than there are total union members in the US. And you're claiming that unions are desperate for members, but nearly every non-government union that I ran into in the Midwest had people laid off. They didn't have enough work to hire someone new. On the flipside, there were plenty of employers who'd hire for the same job direct, and there was a ton of contracting work available.
I'm guessing you're one of those who'd also claim that convicts can't get a job at Walmart, even though a quarter the people who work at Walmart have rap sheets? Like, literally, Walmart makes an effort to employ those who've served their time. They may not give them management positions, and depending on the crime, may disqualify them from positions where they directly handle money, but there's a job for them.
There are many, many flaws in what you're saying. You claim providing a skillset to prisoners would only make a small difference, right after going on at length about how there's no difference at all right now, the best they can hope for is some funding for some online university degree that even Walmart would say, "We're going to ignore that you showed us that."
You don't have any answers or suggestions, then you shoot down a suggestion that has not only worked, it's been wildly successful in Nordic countries. And you cite unions being so easy to get a job at, when they're insane to try to get a job at. At least, they are if you're a male. If you're female willing to do work that's predominately performed by men, they'll lay someone off to hire you, they're always struggling to hit affirmative action quotas. Have you ever actually WORKED for a non-government union? Do you really have a fucking clue what you're talking about?
So, you've taken a relatively minor employment source that has massive competition for each spot, claimed they're desperately searching for employees when they simply aren't, and used that as an excuse why providing trade skills to inmates won't help them find honest work outside of prison. Any other brilliant insights, genius? Jesus fucking christ what a stupid argument.