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Aug 17 2017 08:20am
Trump Spoke Truth About ‘Both Sides’ In Charlottesville, And The Media Lost Their Minds
The media behavior in the wake of this press conference was arguably something new, a sort of grotesque watermark of the media’s coverage of the Trump administration thus far.
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Our media have a problem: they are essentially incapable of covering Donald Trump with anything less than full-on deranged hysteria.

I do not say this as an excess of rhetoric or op-ed theatrics. It is a very real, very pressing problem, only getting worse, and it poses a significant danger to the social fabric of the United States. Twenty-first century American media has the ability to shape our discourse and shift our public consciousness, and it is abusing that power in the worst ways possible. This is likely a bigger problem than any of us realizes.

The last 48 hours provided a crystal-clear example of the genuinely dangerous course upon which the media have set themselves. At Trump Tower on Tuesday, President Trump held a press conference that was initially supposed to be about infrastructure but quickly went off-script and became about the Charlottesville neo-Nazi madness.

By itself this is nothing new: Trump regularly goes off-script, if it can even be said that he has a script. But the media behavior in the wake of this conference was arguably something new, a sort of grotesque watermark of the media’s coverage of the Trump administration thus far.

The furor surrounding the press conference stemmed largely from one particular line Trump delivered. When one reporter asked about his claim that there had been “hatred [and] violence on both sides,” Trump replied: “Well I do think there’s blame. Yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides.”

Media Immediately Jets Into Astral Orbit
With that unremarkable assertion, the media were off. “HE STILL BLAMES BOTH SIDES,” CNN blared in enormous font on its front page. In a headline, The New York Times blared that Trump “again blames ‘both sides.” So did the Chicago Tribune. So did NBC News. So did U.S. News and World Report (calling it “an insane press conference” to boot).

So did NPR. So did CBS News. So did the Washington Post. So did the Wall Street Journal. So did Time. So did MSNBC. So did USA Today. NBC News later wondered: “Has Trump Lost His Moral Authority for Good?” CNN continued with the massive headlines, calling Trump’s press conference “a meltdown for the ages,” and declaring: “Trump is who we feared he was.” Vox claimed Trump “is offering comfort to racists and extremists.”

The unambiguous implication of this media firestorm is obvious: we are supposed to see it as outrageous at best and morally abhorrent at worst that Trump would claim that “there is blame on both sides.” The thing is, Trump was telling the truth. There is blame on both sides. And we have eyewitness descriptions and photograph evidence to back it up.

Truth Is Truth, People
Trump appears to separate the generalized violence of that Saturday afternoon from the vehicular homicide a white nationalist perpetrated on Charlottesville’s mall near the end of the whole affair. In the press conference, Trump stated in no uncertain terms: “The driver of the car is a murderer. What he did was a horrible, inexcusable thing.”

It is, rather, the periodic violence that occurred throughout Charlottesville’s downtown area to which Trump was apparently referring. And he’s right: both sides committed violence on that day.

We know this because people there saw it happen and have confirmed Trump’s characterization publicly. New York Times reporter Sheryl Gay Stolberg, for one, attested: “The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right,” she tweeted. “I saw club-wielding ‘antifa’ beating white nationalists being led out of the park.” If there were any doubt as to whether the Left were committing violence that day, Stolberg later clarified: “should have said violent, not hate-filled.”

I did not notice any wall-to-wall coverage of Stolberg’s unambiguous eyewitness testimony. Did you?

Another eyewitness report comes from Isabella Ciambotti, a creative writing major from the University of Virginia. Speaking to The New York Times, Ciambotti testified that at one point “a counterprotestor ripped a newspaper stand off the sidewalk and threw it at alt-right protesters.” Photographic evidence confirms Ciambotti’s account.

Raw footage of the moment the counterprotestor threw the box is inconclusive but strongly suggests the counterprotester was unprovoked at the time. Further raw footage shows counterprotesters hurling objects at white supremacists and neo-Nazis while the latter simply stand there a good distance apart from the crowd.

Ciambotti also claims to have witnessed “another man from the white supremacist crowd being chased and beaten.” Additionally she saw “a much older man, also with the alt-right group, [who] got pushed to the ground in the commotion. Someone raised a stick over his head and beat the man with it.” Ciambotti claims to have intervened before the beating could continue further.

Ciambotti further asserts:

There were absolutely groups of peaceful protesters in Charlottesville this past weekend, many making a mature show of resistance. But what I saw on Market Street didn’t feel like resistance. It felt like every single person letting out his or her own well of fear and frustration on the crowd.

-the federalist

multiple journalists attacked, countless other people peppersprayed and attacked.
shh pay no attention to that. trump is supposed to ignore the masked men behind the (iron) curtain.
anyone who disagrees is daft and making a fool of themselves, and probably is sending secret signals that they are on the side of the nazis amiright?

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Aug 17 2017 08:29am
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Aug 17 2017 08:32am
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Trump Spoke Truth About ‘Both Sides’ In Charlottesville, And The Media Lost Their Minds
The media behavior in the wake of this press conference was arguably something new, a sort of grotesque watermark of the media’s coverage of the Trump administration thus far.

-the federalist

multiple journalists attacked, countless other people peppersprayed and attacked.
shh pay no attention to that. trump is supposed to ignore the masked men behind the (iron) curtain.


As a proud Never Trumper and a regular defender of media outlets like CNN, WaPo, etc, this article is spot on. I haven't seen the media be this dishonest and hysterical in years.

I think the worst part of the coverage is the constant debate on "how many Trump supporters agree with the president excusing or justifying white supremacists". It's just pathetic.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 17 2017 08:41am
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Aug 17 2017 08:58am
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Trump Spoke Truth About ‘Both Sides’ In Charlottesville, And The Media Lost Their Minds
The media behavior in the wake of this press conference was arguably something new, a sort of grotesque watermark of the media’s coverage of the Trump administration thus far.

-the federalist

multiple journalists attacked, countless other people peppersprayed and attacked.
shh pay no attention to that. trump is supposed to ignore the masked men behind the (iron) curtain.
anyone who disagrees is daft and making a fool of themselves, and probably is sending secret signals that they are on the side of the nazis amiright?



Drumpf defended neo-national socialists and white nationalists, such as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, the media said as much


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Aug 17 2017 09:46am
Trump is right in a way about 'many sides'. He's just so fucking stupid that he can't put voice to his thoughts. Again both sides are acting like retards. What happened in charlottesville is just an extreme microcosm of what is happening in the media and the minds of the politically engaged public. This doesn't excuse Trump from criticism however. He is incapable of leading in a dignified or even competent manner. He has to go.
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Aug 17 2017 10:54am
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Trump is right in a way about 'many sides'. He's just so fucking stupid that he can't put voice to his thoughts. Again both sides are acting like retards. What happened in charlottesville is just an extreme microcosm of what is happening in the media and the minds of the politically engaged public. This doesn't excuse Trump from criticism however. He is incapable of leading in a dignified or even competent manner. He has to go.


Trump leaving office would be a disaster for the country. The best case scenario is the current path, which is Trump fails as president and loses in the next election.
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Aug 17 2017 11:19am
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Drumpf defended neo-national socialists and white nationalists, such as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, the media said as much

https://i.redd.it/hl3l3ya848gz.jpg


Benedict Arnold would be a better comparison than Washington in the case of Lee.
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Aug 17 2017 11:30am
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Benedict Arnold would be a better comparison than Washington in the case of Lee.


An outstanding General who felt mistreated and planned to sabotage the US Continental Army and defect?

It's quite simple , Lee was a confederate General. And should confederate monuments/statues be allowed in a country where said Confederacy basically doesn't really exist?

I think it would be perfectly fine to have Confederate Museums but I think you should probably have statues/monuments of people who represent the United States for public buildings.

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Aug 17 2017 11:52am
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Trump is right in a way about 'many sides'. He's just so fucking stupid that he can't put voice to his thoughts. Again both sides are acting like retards. What happened in charlottesville is just an extreme microcosm of what is happening in the media and the minds of the politically engaged public. This doesn't excuse Trump from criticism however. He is incapable of leading in a dignified or even competent manner. He has to go.


How is he right about many sides? Were the Allied Forces responsible for the Holocaust? This is revisionism, plain and simple. The right wing talking points and false equivalences are literally fake news.

I remember a point in time, not too long ago, when the average Republican would answer the question "if you could take a time machine back to kill Hitler, would you do it?" with a "hell yes I would!" - now those same Republicans would go back and shake the man's hand. You've all been brainwashed by the fascist in the White House.

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How is he right about many sides?


Because most of the violence at Charlottesville prior to the car attack was committed by the far-left groups, be they antifa or just disorganized counterprotesters.
They were the aggressors, attacking journalists and alt-righters alike.
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Because most of the violence at Charlottesville prior to the car attack was committed by the far-left groups, be they antifa or just disorganized counterprotesters.
They were the aggressors, attacking journalists and alt-righters alike.


Those aggressive Allied forces! Committing violence against Nazis! What terrible people attacking these peaceful, benevolent promoters of loving and kind ethnic cleansing.
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