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Mar 26 2016 11:27am
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Of course they were real. Just because the bible explains what the Jews did that means there God must be true? No. Are you not aware of the other holy books that do the same for there paticular people and God?


If you really want to get into it there's zero archeological evidence for the Exodus, King David, Solomon, etc.
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Mar 26 2016 04:00pm
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If you really want to get into it there's zero archeological evidence for the Exodus, King David, Solomon, etc.


some evidence for the Exodus was actually found... Egyptian Chariots were recently found on the bottom of the Red Sea
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#243
Mar 26 2016 08:11pm
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You didn't respond to anything I posted, try to stay on topic. God doesn't honor free will when it violates his plan.


Typical response from a typical response. Here is my typical response to your typical response which will result in your typical response.

There is God's will and our free will. God's will, will always be done. Yet we retain our free will. Our free will and God's will do not run in parallel but rather they are intertwined. God can use our free will to make God's will be done.

That does not mean God does not honor free will. God allowed Adam and Eve to choose between obeying him or disobeying him with the fruit of the tree. God could have stopped them from eating off the tree but he didn't.

Then there is Jesus crucified. All the crowd and soldiers did indeed have free will but God used their free will to have his will be accomplished. Crucifying Jesus was intended to be evil yet God used that very thing to bring glory to him.

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Of course they were real. Just because the bible explains what the Jews did that means there God must be true? No. Are you not aware of the other holy books that do the same for there paticular people and God?


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Mar 26 2016 09:46pm
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some evidence for the Exodus was actually found... Egyptian Chariots were recently found on the bottom of the Red Sea


Read that a long time ago and it turned out to be false.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/redsea.asp
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#245
Mar 27 2016 03:27am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 26 2016 09:46pm)
Read that a long time ago and it turned out to be false.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/redsea.asp


wow the news company that reported it are assholes for giving fake news reports... lmfao I remember reading that a long time ago too...
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Mar 27 2016 03:32am
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Typical response from a typical response. Here is my typical response to your typical response which will result in your typical response.

There is God's will and our free will. God's will, will always be done. Yet we retain our free will. Our free will and God's will do not run in parallel but rather they are intertwined. God can use our free will to make God's will be done.

That does not mean God does not honor free will. God allowed Adam and Eve to choose between obeying him or disobeying him with the fruit of the tree. God could have stopped them from eating off the tree but he didn't.

Then there is Jesus crucified. All the crowd and soldiers did indeed have free will but God used their free will to have his will be accomplished. Crucifying Jesus was intended to be evil yet God used that very thing to bring glory to him.



their* their* particular*


That seems like a contradiction. If God's will can be enacted while giving us free will, then it seems God could also have made creation without evil while maintaining free will.

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Mar 27 2016 03:35am
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That seems like a contradiction. If God's will can be enacted while giving us free will, then it seems God could also have made creation without evil while maintaining free will.


free will itself is the creation of the possibilities of both evil and good... you have to choose
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#248
Mar 27 2016 03:38am
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free will itself is the creation of the possibilities of both evil and good... you have to choose


Sure, but that doesn't answer why an all-powerful being created free will to function in that way. He could have made free will the choice between good and less good without suffering or evil. He's God.
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#249
Mar 27 2016 03:42am
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Sure, but that doesn't answer why an all-powerful being created free will to function in that way. He could have made free will the choice between good and less good without suffering or evil. He's God.


because then it wouldn't be free will... it would be contained will.... controlled will.... limited will...

This post was edited by caswallen on Mar 27 2016 03:44am
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#250
Mar 27 2016 03:54am
Quote (sylvannos @ Mar 27 2016 05:32am)
That seems like a contradiction. If God's will can be enacted while giving us free will, then it seems God could also have made creation without evil while maintaining free will.


...I hope that upon reflection you understand the contradiction .
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