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May 22 2023 01:33pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ May 21 2023 02:56pm)
I'm giving this thread serious consideration, so don't feel like 'playing' with trolls today, Sunny. No hard feelings!



1. No, it's not inherently sexual. It's performance art and one would need to justify their own argument that it is inherently sexual rather than expecting people to disprove your own assertion.

2. I don't personally believe that kids "should" or "should not" be exposed to drag. I think that it's okay that kids are witness to, and involved in, drag because it is not inherently anything other than gender-based performance art. There are adult versions of drag, and versions that are appropriate for children--as is the case with most entertainment.

3. See above. It's like saying that because there are some movies that are Rated-R that kids should not be exposed to movies at all.


1) Something being a performance art and being a sexual performance are not mutually exclusive.

Classical burlesque is a female heterosexual performance art. Male burlesque (Magic Mike) is a male heterosexual performance art. Pole dancing is a female heterosexual performance art. Drag is a male homosexual performance art.

In fact, ALL sexual performances are performance arts.

2) In this same light, would you also believe that there is nothing inherently wrong with kids being exposed to burlesque, including sexual gestures, gyration of the hips & lap dances, given that they are also nothing other than gender-based performance arts?

Drag is a homosexual performance art, its intention being to titillate the audience. This is no different from heterosexual burlesque.

Now, I understand the desire to expose children to drag queens / drag queen story hour etc. is an attempt to provide children with positive interactions with gay people, such that they may grow up to think better of them.

My argument is that exposing them to homosexual burlesque is NOT the way to go about this and undermines the objective. It is clear to me that these machinations are INCREASING aversion to homosexual people, as kids are extremely uncomfortable being exposed to male homosexual burlesque performances.

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May 22 2023 01:34pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ May 22 2023 12:29pm)
It is odd to teach twerking to kids, even if first referencing that it is a Fortnite dance. I just don't think it's as "abusive" as you clearly do.


what kinda of adult would even want to twerk for lil kids. pretty obvious what kind. no one is so stupid that they cant see this is a pathway for pedopfiles. so when they argue and make excuses for it its obvious what that person is really about.

pitiful few 'pride people actually come out and say its wrong
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May 22 2023 01:34pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 22 2023 12:28pm)
bruh, you took my post literally and after a few back and forths i all but said most churches are as or more damaging to kids (not rapists priests, just going on sunday) than LGBTQ book events. i said i dont want them banned, have been overblown by the right, agreed just now that the right is the one pushing the "issue" and deserves most of the blame, but that as a parent of actual children i'd like to keep my eye on it. just as when i take my kid to church i keep an eye on that too so in real time i can protect my kids.

and you get riled up by hipshot hyperbole from my desk chair while im bored at work?

when trans "issues" (mostly from right winged media) take up a massive portion of coverage for a statistical fringe group thats a problem to me.

isnt what i said or meant, i was referencing trans people alone. but i am truly sorry if you felt attacked and i'll leave u to argue with matt walsh NPCs as im sensing u need a break from my shitposts.


I think you're right. I'll keep in mind that you shitpost about things that don't immediately pertain to you irrespective of the importance to others. Thank you for the reminder.
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May 22 2023 01:35pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 22 2023 02:30pm)
Don't care to read thread but has the point of why is there this great desire to have MtF trannies/drag dance in front of kids?

There are dozens of these videos surfacing on the internet on a weekly basis, so it's not as if it's some 1-2 one offs in the last 5 years or some great conspiracy theory pumped by the right. I just don't really understand how the leap was made between "we want to be accepted and be able to live how we want" to "we want to dance in thongs and other sexually suggestive clothing in front of kids because human rights"


Probably 99% of the time I see an example of what you're talking about it's not something that's in any way harmful to kids. Lots of "omg it was hosted at a bar" when it's 2 p.m. in the afternoon with parents in attendance and everybody is fully clothed.
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May 22 2023 01:35pm
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what kinda of adult would even want to twerk for lil kids. pretty obvious what kind. no one is so stupid that they cant see this is a pathway for pedopfiles. so when they argue and make excuses for it its obvious what that person is really about.

pitiful few 'pride people actually come out and say its wrong


Just wait until you learn about classic summer camp songs like "Brown Squirrel" or "I Don't Wanna' Be a Duck".

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May 22 2023 01:38pm
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Probably 99% of the time I see an example of what you're talking about it's not something that's in any way harmful to kids. Lots of "omg it was hosted at a bar" when it's 2 p.m. in the afternoon with parents in attendance and everybody is fully clothed.


It's putting ideas in kids' heads that being gay/trans/drag is OK. It doesn't even need to be actively harming kids.
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May 22 2023 01:39pm
Quote (El1te @ May 22 2023 12:33pm)
1) Something being a performance art and being a sexual performance are not mutually exclusive.

Classical burlesque is a female heterosexual performance art. Male burlesque (Magic Mike) is a male heterosexual performance art. Pole dancing is a female heterosexual performance art. Drag is a male homosexual performance art.

In fact, ALL sexual performances are performance arts.

2) In this same light, would you also believe that there is nothing inherently wrong with kids being exposed to burlesque, including sexual gestures, gyration of the hips & lap dances, given that they are also nothing other than gender-based performance arts?

Drag is a homosexual performance art, its intention being to titillate the audience. This is no different from heterosexual burlesque.

Now, I understand the desire to expose children to drag queens / drag queen story hour etc. is an attempt to provide children with positive interactions with gay people, such that they may grow up to think better of them.

My argument is that exposing them to homosexual burlesque is NOT the way to go about this and undermines the objective. It is clear to me that these machinations are INCREASING aversion to homosexual people, as kids are extremely uncomfortable being exposed to male homosexual burlesque performances.


Nobody is trying to "expose kids to homosexual burlesque".
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May 22 2023 01:40pm
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It's putting ideas in kids' heads that being gay/trans/drag is OK. It doesn't even need to be actively harming kids.


There is nothing wrong with "putting ideas in kids heads". That's just called learning.

I understand why you might think it's harmful though, since you've avoided it most of your life.
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May 22 2023 01:40pm
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Probably 99% of the time I see an example of what you're talking about it's not something that's in any way harmful to kids. Lots of "omg it was hosted at a bar" when it's 2 p.m. in the afternoon with parents in attendance and everybody is fully clothed.


'Harmful to the kids' is damn near impossible to quantify. I'm asking specifically why there's a desire to have people in sexually suggestive outfits dance for kids. Even if we switch it around and say okay this woman is going to put on a thong and dance at a kid's bday party or whatever, it's weird and has never been the norm nor appropriate. Like it's really strange, why is it all of the sudden something like this being normalized?

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May 22 2023 01:41pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ May 22 2023 12:35pm)
Just wait until you learn about classic summer camp songs like "Brown Squirrel" or "I Don't Wanna' Be a Duck".


fukn excuses. what ever that chit is if is bad then its just also bad. you want to use bad to normalize ever more gross behavior, like twerking for lil kids. only something a pedo would be about
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