Quote (ferdia @ 12 Mar 2023 14:59)
Russia Built Nord Stream 2
The US objected
The US president "We will end it"
It was ended.
The swedes know who did it but refuse to say. they dont like Russia, why would they then cover for Russia?
Russia is repairing it. Why repair it if they blew it up ?
Russia asked the United Nations to investigate who did it.
The US vetoed the request.
A highly decorated journalist, a US journalist, scooped that the US did it.
The US government, in fact the same individual that played a part in assigning who would go into governement in Ukraine (the US backed Coup) voiced her happiness that NS2 was "a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea"
The mental gymnastic's here to not move from the position that it was not Russia, or any of Russia's allies, is simply amazing. This is why I say you are so intelligent and dangerous. You know the argument for Russia being responsible is weak so instead of debating in good faith you just throw up alot of noise to deflect away from the matter at hand.
It is much safer for you, and proximity, to move beyond NS2 and just camp on warcrimes and illegal war. this is not the first time I have suggested this to you.
your welcome.
also, /e I must stress that I do not return to NS2, you guys do. it is such a bad position to argue wtf are you guys thinking? move on, no one cares about NS2 except Russia.
it's like you didn't even TRY to comprehend the post that you quoted there, lol. again, i have always held the position that the US is the 2nd most likely culprit, and that i wouldn't at all be shocked if they are behind it. the real mental gymnastics here is simply ignoring that and suggesting that i outright dismissed that option. all i'm saying (as i did from the very beginning) is that i won't commit to definitive claims (note how i also never claimed that russia did it either) until there is solid proof. all i ever did is share my personal evaluation of likelihoods based on risk / reward. is that really so difficult to understand, or do you simply not WANT to understand it because it goes against your chosen narrative?
what you fail to acknowledge is that in the context of this war, things like NATO "expansion" / corruption by the zelensky government / NS2 / nazis in ukraine / US middle eastern policy and war crimes... are merely distractions. they are kremlin talking points to justify russia's murdering and destruction of a whole nation, distractions from the simple truth that pootin started a war in order to conquer foreign territories. do you EVER reflect on how and why you're clearly perceived as someone who is at the very least doing his bidding? you're not being fair or balanced or objective or whatever you deluded yourself into believing, you're just being a useful idiot, a war apologist.
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 12 Mar 2023 15:21)
anything that is not 100% tv mainstream fenderp opinion = kremlin bot, you should know this by now ^_^
of course we have to totally trust the people who killed millions under false pretences
if you were even a remotely honest person, with only the tiniest bit of integrity, you'd acknowledge the fact that i've been one of the most vocal critics of US foreign policy (including that of obama btw) in this forum for years. since you're just a kremlin bot, however, you just act like any criticism of this war is hypocritical, and therefore can be dismissed. textbook propaganda move. and unsurprisingly, ferdia fully supports that dishonest narrative because it happens to coincide with what he wants to believe...
sorry, but russia's war, russia's murdering of innocent people can not be downplayed / justified / excused by american murdering of innocent people. two wrongs don't make a right. you can't silence critics by strawmanning their position. tough luck, ampootin.