With brevity, approx 20 million people left, approx 10m have returned. The country by any account has been wrecked by constant bombardment. As was commented several months ago, Zelensky was elected on a mandate of reconciliation with Russia (accepting he had several mandates). At this point in time the most likely scenario is that Ukraine will never get eastern ukraine back ever again, or crimea, and that they will be forced into some shit show of a treaty whereby russia in effect will steal land off them forever. The loss of life has been collossal and in another time and place the country would have surrendered by now. Zelensky has presided over all this. Presumably he expected or still expects western aid in the form of boots on the ground but there is no evidence to suggest this will occur. In this regard I would refer to what I said the other day re: another round of conscription in Russia is likely. But that means they need to be trained in order for them to be in any way prepared, and that takes time, ergo, the war simply wont end in 2023 and probably not 2024 either, because ukraine is fighting tooth and nail.

I would suggest that macgregor incorrectly underestimated ukrainian resolve and he is probably still flabbergasted. I see no evidence to suggest he has learned. I do not think he understands the ukrainian mindset. never surrender, never retreat, never give up. even the russian leaders acknowledge that the ukrainians are extraordinary well trained with amazing morale/fortitude.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 11 2023 05:02pm

Would wait Ukrainians to get their tanks and to do their offensive before freezing the actual frontlines as final borders...

yea I dont disagree with this, ukraine, if they hold the current push from russia and if they get enough time and space, could literally take it all back. but pushing on crimea would escalate and for sure it would at the least mean at least 1 (if not 2) rounds of conscription in russia (russia is a big place).

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 11 2023 05:07pm

Everything is possible, like Putin ending up being down's by his whole circle because the situation is too critical, like he asked to use nukes because Ukraine took over 30% of Crimean front and is heading up to win. This is just an example...

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 11 2023 05:18pm

This thread is hot garbage when it becomes a conversation with Meanwhile.

if putin fell over tomorrow the most likely scenario would be a conscription and the war would escalate. whats worse, the west would be scrambling trying to figure out how to deal with the new, worse, hawkish leader. its a terrible reality.

Many Scenarios but Putin is the best scapegoat and the best way out.

5-0'd indeed

cya



That is NOT his personal youtube channel, as I pointed out before it's a thrown together bunch of stuff with bad titles while the guy is a PhD, wrote 5 books, has a long career in the army and politics, has access to a whole bunch of sources, etc.

But chumps like you are easily fooled by a Wiki page and a random search on youtube, ROFL

Editing someone's post to say something they didn't say, and then quoting it, is a bitch move.

And of course I've heard of euromaidan, I posted a Bulwark article from Cathy Young which debunked your bullshit Russian narrative that it was a US-backed coup.

Your narrative is bullshit. It does not hold up to scrutiny.

OP shilling for Lavrov while the rest of the worlds foreign ministers are laughing at his bullshit.
Tells you everything you need to know about this thread.

Circle jerk of Kremlin shills and their enabler.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Mar 12 2023 04:20am