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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 11 2023 10:12pm)
The most neo-con member of the Senate, and the guy the sitting American president beat in the presidential election, spoke at Euromaidan, and again, you're stating things without making the implication explicit.

What's the argument here? McCain spoke at Euromaidan, therefore, what?


You're a joke.

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Mar 11 2023 03:25pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 11 2023 04:20pm)
You're a joke.

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Did you see the reference I made to Hamster re: Georgia ? In Georgia they wanted to enact a law where corperations and companies had to declare how much foreign ownership there was. The EU said such a law was against its values. :wacko:


I don't know which law you are talking about (link?) , sorry. I hope EU not sending anyone to the gulag tho.


Quote (Djunior @ 11 Mar 2023 22:00)
You rely on a shit Wikipedia page where he's discredited.

Who says that's his private youtube channel channel? Post proof that it is.

I bet you can't, it's not even listed on his website and he does link his bitchute channel.

I'll wait



https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls

it's all the same propaganda everywhere with him.

This guy is a tool and if you have a more trusted source than wiki saying otherwise do not hesitate "i'll wait" rofl.
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good old times :(
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Mar 11 2023 03:49pm
4:40 video with mcgregor on Fox News /e 1 week after the invasion....

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/03/01/macgregor_nato_is_not_in_a_position_to_fight_russia_we_are_in_a_crisis_and_our_position_in_europe_is_at_risk.html

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This post of yours is a good challenge against the integrity and credibility of Douglas McGregor. History (the last 12 months) refutes what he had said here. i.e. The US COULD continue so support Ukraine, it DID contunue to support Ukraine and IT DID NOT break the US Bank, in fact the reality is that the aid being provided to Ukraine is a drop in the Ocean.

I note what he has suggested may have occured in conversation between Russia and China. Happy for people to discuss (i.e. that Russia may have spelled out to China what its intentions were and that China accepted this along the lines of "OK, but dont subsume all of Ukraine, if your intension is X, then do that, and do that only". There was alot of conjecture in this video and its easily to poke holes in it, give it was forward projecting.

I Note that this video is from 12 months ago, and alludes or acknowledges the fact that regardless of who created this conflict, as a direct consequence of the conflict Russian and China appear to have formed much closer strategic geopolitical ties. It really does beg the question what the US think tanks were thinking noting this was a particular obvious consequence. Why in the world would you push your two enemies together. It really baffles me.

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This post of yours is a good challenge against the integrity and credibility of Douglas McGregor. History (the last 12 months) refutes what he had said here. i.e. The US COULD continue so support Ukraine, it DID contunue to support Ukraine and IT DID NOT break the US Bank, in fact the reality is that the aid being provided to Ukraine is a drop in the Ocean.

I note what he has suggested may have occured in conversation between Russia and China. Happy for people to discuss (i.e. that Russia may have spelled out to China what its intentions were and that China accepted this along the lines of "OK, but dont subsume all of Ukraine, if your intension is X, then do that, and do that only". There was alot of conjecture in this video and its easily to poke holes in it, give it was forward projecting.

I Note that this video is from 12 months ago, and alludes or acknowledges the fact that regardless of who created this conflict, as a direct consequence of the conflict Russian and China appear to have formed much closer strategic geopolitical ties. It really does beg the question what the US think tanks were thinking noting this was a particular obvious consequence. Why in the world would you push your two enemies together. It really baffles me.


I think one reason but not limited to that,... is the US wanted to do a litmus test on their allies. How many of you will fervently stand on my side and give me the hardware and software support if I decided to challenge them head on.
This will prove how robust the United States relationship with her allies are. In a way, once the test is being concluded, they will and can decide how to pull back and re strategize their future confrontations.
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I think one reason but not limited to that,... is the US wanted to do a litmus test on their allies. How many of you will fervently stand on my side and give me the hardware and software support if I decided to challenge them head on.
This will prove how robust the United States relationship with her allies are. In a way, once the test is being concluded, they will and can decide how to pull back and re strategize their future confrontations.


I dont agree with this I must admit. Ultimately, and I am sorry now, but I dont think the EU is relevant to the US. If you get my meaning. Or rather, they know that the EU is was and will be firmly allied with them (with the EU being the weaker partner, by far).

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I dont agree with this I must admit. Ultimately, and I am sorry now, but I dont think the EU is relevant to the US. If you get my meaning. Or rather, they know that the EU is was and will be firmly allied with them (with the EU being the weaker partner, by far).


My view is not just limited to the EU, also the middle east like like Saudi Arabia, for the past 10 years, Vietnam and Phillipines at etc etc
That is where I am also looking at as well. In the past if the US ask the Saudis or mid east to pump oil they will just do it. It doesn't seem so at the moment though.
However powerful the United States is , if they want to down Russia ( Now ) and in near future China. They will need allies and very strong and fervent ones who are willing to give their 200% support.
They can't do it alone. 20 to 30 years back they wouldn't cajole and pull their allies in the way they do now, because the countries they are dealing with is far more weaker than the ones they are facing. i.e Iraq , Syria, Yugoslavia etc etc
And they were really rich with a rather orderly society then.

As weak as the EU is , they are still wealthy. Money is Money ya ? You give me a 100 bucks and send some of your hardware to me is still better than zero. :lol: All of us bear these expenses together. :lol: even if you are unwilling .

But this is just my superficial take.
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Quote (ferdia @ 11 Mar 2023 23:02)
This post of yours is a good challenge against the integrity and credibility of Douglas McGregor. History (the last 12 months) refutes what he had said here. i.e. The US COULD continue so support Ukraine, it DID contunue to support Ukraine and IT DID NOT break the US Bank, in fact the reality is that the aid being provided to Ukraine is a drop in the Ocean.

I note what he has suggested may have occured in conversation between Russia and China. Happy for people to discuss (i.e. that Russia may have spelled out to China what its intentions were and that China accepted this along the lines of "OK, but dont subsume all of Ukraine, if your intension is X, then do that, and do that only". There was alot of conjecture in this video and its easily to poke holes in it, give it was forward projecting.

I Note that this video is from 12 months ago, and alludes or acknowledges the fact that regardless of who created this conflict, as a direct consequence of the conflict Russian and China appear to have formed much closer strategic geopolitical ties. It really does beg the question what the US think tanks were thinking noting this was a particular obvious consequence. Why in the world would you push your two enemies together. It really baffles me.


Nato get reinforced while China is getting strongly embarrassed by the Russians kleptocrats. War crimes didnt help. There's not much more than a very risky path for China, CCP peace plan revealed its fears.

next video is even worse: at the end he's getting destroyed in a way i rarely ever saw on US TV.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/03/05/macgregor_zelensky_is_no_hero_hes_a_puppet_that_is_putting_his_own_population_at_unnecessary_risk.html#!;

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