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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 10 2023 04:09pm)
I'm not discounting anything. I'm just not conflating circumstance with fact.

You and others want the framework of any debate to be based around your belief of "the US blew up NS2"
Meanwhile there is no irrefutable evidence you can provide.
Completely fallacious.


Russia did it
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 11:05am)
not sure if ^ofthevoid watched it :lol:


In the video you posted Ray Dalio talks about the cost of the Ukraine war amounting to around 8 trillion dollars, do you know what he means by that?

I assume that is based on factors apart from just sending aid and weapons?
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 10 2023 11:09am)
I'm not discounting anything. I'm just not conflating circumstance with fact.

You and others want the framework of any debate to be based around your belief of "the US blew up NS2"
Meanwhile there is no irrefutable evidence you can provide.
Completely fallacious.


Lol

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 10 2023 10:25am)
Not a single shred of evidence. Lmk
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 10 2023 03:09pm)
I'm not discounting anything. I'm just not conflating circumstance with fact.

You and others want the framework of any debate to be based around your belief of "the US blew up NS2"
Meanwhile there is no irrefutable evidence you can provide.
Completely fallacious.


Dont you have your own personal opinions ? Who do you think did it and why ? who is the most likely actor to have done this and why ? Can your belief be easily refuted, can you support your position ?

If you look at all the scenario's it makes literally no sense that the Russia's blew up their own pipeline (and then repaired it).

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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 10 Mar 2023 23:12)
In the video you posted Ray Dalio talks about the cost of the Ukraine war amounting to around 8 trillion dollars, do you know what he means by that?

I assume that is based on factors apart from just sending aid and weapons?


I think he is calculating rebuilding as well ??
I missed that part , i have to watch it again.

just watched it, your comment for

can help ?
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Quote (ferdia @ Mar 10 2023 04:13pm)
Dont you have your own personal opinions ? Who do you think did it and why ? who is the most likely actor to have done this and why ? Can your belief be easily refuted, can you support your position ?


Ferdia, let me ask you a question. After the iraqi war, can you prove that Saddam didn´t have WMDs?

Can anyone irrefutably prove it.


Can anyone irrefutably prove that i didn´t have sexual intercourse with Prox1m1tys mother yesterday? I will give 1000fg for proof.

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Ferdia, let me ask you a question. After the iraqi war, can you prove that Saddam didn´t have WMDs?
Can anyone irrefutably prove it.


Saddam didnt have anything after the iraq war he was dead. If they had nuclear weapons in the first place the US would not have been able to invade for fear of a nuclear attack on the US. If you look at it another way, the US invaded Iraq to preempt them from potentially getting nukes. Thats why nothing is done about north korea - they already have nukes. The narrative of WMD's was proven to be untrue and they had to change the law in England sothat what Tony Blair did could not be repeated. He was not a war criminal because there was no law at the time for him doing what he did. You cant invade Russia or China (or North Korea) or the US because they have the ultimate deterrent.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 11:13am)
I think he is calculating rebuilding as well ??
I missed that part , i have to watch it again.

^ferdia just watched it, your comment for ^dizzybusiness

can help ?


8 trillion seems very high, but the last estimate i saw for rebuilding costs was over 1 trillion and that was quite awhile ago.

He mentions that right after he finishes talking about the domestic situation in the US, a little later on in the video.

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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 10 2023 03:18pm)
8 trillion seems very high, but the last estimate i saw for rebuilding costs was over 1 trillion and that was quite awhile ago.

He mentions that right after he finishes talking about the domestic situation in the US, a little later on in the video.


Greece and Hawaii all over again.
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Quote (ferdia @ Mar 10 2023 04:18pm)
Saddam didnt have anything after the iraq war he was dead. If they had nuclear weapons in the first place the US would not have been able to invade for fear of a nuclear attack on the US. thats why nothing is done about north korea. The narrative of WMD's was proven to be untrue and they had to change the law in England sothat what Tony Blair did could not be repeated. He was not a war criminal because there was no law at the time for him doing what he did.


ye but u cant prove it. So u are making stuff up. There is no emperical evidence that saddam didn´t have wmds.

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