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Mar 21 2022 09:18am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 21 2022 08:17am)
Naked aggression is never right no matter what circumstances it may be.
It is that simple..........


agreed
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Mar 21 2022 09:19am
Quote (theCrossbones @ 21 Mar 2022 23:18)
agreed


When is the next ZvZ competition.
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Mar 21 2022 09:35am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 21 2022 04:08pm)
blah blah blah.
I don't believe Putin has the right to invade countries over "nato" worries.
People have the right to defend themselves.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 21 2022 04:17pm)
Naked aggression is never right no matter what circumstances it may be.
It is that simple..........


That would mean one can provoke another without consequences and it doesn't work like that in the real world. Sorry to burst your bubble kids.

Also: Cuba missile crisis. Google it ;)
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Mar 21 2022 09:36am
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 21 2022 08:35am)
That would mean one can provoke another without consequences and it doesn't work like that in the real world. Sorry to burst your bubble kids.

Also: Cuba missile crisis. Google it ;)


So is this about Ukraine or Cuba?
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Mar 21 2022 09:54am
Quote (Djunior @ 21 Mar 2022 15:35)
Also: Cuba missile crisis. Google it ;)


Btw two facts:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov.
- Nikita Khrushchev lost his seat after cuba event...

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Mar 21 2022 09:55am
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Mar 21 2022 09:58am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Mar 21 2022 08:54am)
Btw two facts:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov.
- Nikita Khrushchev lost his seat after cuba event...


most likely because RU wanted to actually nuke the US..
but omg we are offended by NATO. **Putin is our friend cuz he hates gays
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 21 Mar 2022 15:58)
The one-sidedness of American mainstream media of the past years is really biting them in the ass right now. They worked real hard at destroying their reputation and credibility, so I can't really blame people when their first impulse upon seeing a unified, monolithic take on the war by the MSM is to distrust this narrative and being more open to alternative viewpoints. Fox News is trying to provide such an alternative narrative, but they're doing a bad job adding nuance to the discussion and you see lots of their segments trying to defend the indefensible.

Basically, when the MSM is presenting a unified front on an issue, they are usually, but not automatically wrong... and the war in Ukraine might be such an exception to the rule.


that's just dumb. fox news was founded with the very intent to actively push a political agenda. maybe do some basic research before posting. suggesting they are legitimate factual reporting, and merely failing on nuance, is asinine at best.

msm hasn't changed fundamentally in recent years. they have always been and remain pro establishment, generally pro (american) war, pro business, dismissive of progressive (economically & politically, not socially) / outside perspectives. what HAS changed is the perception of msm, thanks to a certain president declaring outright war on them, because his ego couldn't handle criticism. the "unfair" treatment, the unprecedented "bias" he allegedly received, was merely a predictable result of his own escalation.

nah, msm always had an establishment bias (which makes perfect sense given its nature, funding, legacy, makeup, and desire for access), is objectively terrible on some issues (especially war, issues regarding meaningful change to the status quo), but reasonably reliable on reported facts - unlike faux news, which started as an intentionally conservatively biased take on "news", and has developed into an outright propaganda network for the GQP.

it's not a surprise you're trying to make excuses for those consuming faux bs, as they are generally your political and ideological allies, but objectively there's no reason to choose that outlet, other than wanting your partisan bias confirmed. they offer basically nothing in terms of legitimate and fact-based alternative perspectives.

shilling for pootin is not providing a "legitimate alternative view" on an issue that msm has admittedly a terrible track record on (though let's not forget that faux' target audience used to be, until very recently, the core supporters of american imperialism, interventionism, and militarism - supporting the party most aligned and connected with the "defence" industry) - it's simply rejecting whatever seems to be the common sense take on any issue, just for the sake of opposing it. let's not make excuses for people too stupid, too ignorant, too caught up in partisan bullshittery, that they are not even able to be on the right side of the issue when a murdering dictator repeatedly invades his democratic neighbours, kills thousands of innocent civilians, displaces millions, and pushes the whole world to the brink of annihilation...
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Mar 21 2022 10:04am
oh nevermind (i was going to agree with parts of the above but then i remembered he is a self confessed toxic troll and while his post above has merit, a response from him would probably not).

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 21 2022 10:15am
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Quote (ferdia @ 22 Mar 2022 00:04)
oh nevermind (i was going to agree with parts of the above but then i remembered he is a self confessed toxic troll and while his post above has merit, a response from him would probably not).


Look no matter how dire the situation is , What I can say is.

1. Putin and his Yes men made a very terrible miscalculation.
2. The United States really need to look at themselves when it comes to Foreign Policy and realize that diplomacy is the key, and also understand that different countries have different culture and its not one ideology fits all.
3. Less intervention from the West in a way, learn how to co exist and first and foremost , trade and business is important. More trade, more business more jobs.
4. And to everyone. Negotiate, Negotiate , Negotiate.
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Mar 21 2022 10:27am
Quote (ferdia @ 21 Mar 2022 17:04)
oh nevermind (i was going to agree with parts of the above but then i remembered he is a self confessed toxic troll and while his post above has merit, a response from him would probably not).


you know, if you were genuine and principled about that, you could have just deleted your post, and leave it at that. you couldn't resist making a toxic comment yourself though - without any provocation on my end.

just drop the holier-than-though act, cringelord - you're as petty and butthurt as they come...
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