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Mar 10 2023 07:13am
Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Mar 10 2023 12:58pm)
New data points to Ukraine destroying nord stream.
Ukraine in war with Russia deliberately pulls whole europe to crisis and no1 cares :lol:


No way man don't you know Joe Biden is an accomplished free diver? Old Joe took one deep breath and planted explosives on both pipelines in one dive.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 12:54pm)
Ok I try to make it short and sweet but you can correct me if I am wrong. I just got off work, was extremely taxing day.

1. If the Chinese Nominal GDP TOTAL over takes USA, it means they have more money to make more weapons , more money to pay for scientist and inventors, more money on STEM. This will be a threat to USA worldwide dominance and influence.

2. With the Tax and money that the central government gets, they will start to spend and influence neighboring countries and buy friends.

3. As bad as how a lot of countries in the West thinks that the products that are China made are absolutely atrocious, we all need to remember such sentiments are the exact same in regards to Japanese Products in the mid 70s up to the early 90s. Look how far the Japanese have achieved within this short period of time

4. When this happens a lot of Chinese industry will be a direct threat to the United States of America and due to cheap wages with potentially better workers and harder working population. This will have a massive effect on America's work force. As a matter of fact the Americans are already facing this right now. Part of the reason why the US wanted to bring as much jobs back to USA as possible. The US already experienced this once with the Japanese Automobile industry so they have have experience in what will happen if they don't beat the Chinese down asap.

5. With the Japanese , it is much easier to handle, with the Chinese it is a completely different game.

6. When this happens the citizens will be pissed at the people in power , whether republican or democrat, they will face a mountain of political crisis. No Jobs, Jobs moving overseas, capital outflow ( America is an extremely capitalistic society ).
It is not uncommon for the people to revolt and overhaul your entire political system, more so in USA since everyone can have a gun.

7. Pride and Dignity of the Citizens. It is a very tough reality when you are being told that you are the No.1 Military and No.1 Economical powerhouse in the world from young and it sound like it will last forever and to lose out to the Chinese ( Squinty Eyed Pig Tails ).

I hope I make some sense , I might not. But I am still gathering my thoughts.
One of the best counter that the United States or the West have at the moment is Freedom, Human Rights , an open society where ideals can be shared freely and you can speak freely which is the main attraction..
That being said, the bold above are currently being taken away bit by bit in the West by political fractions and tribalism.


Mainly valid points if not fairly speculative.

I think the US has a unique geographical and economic potential that almost no other country has; Also a demographic advantage currently.

An interesting point that you touched on with the workforce comment, is something that is already happening, a sort of "de-globalization" in relation particularly to supply chains.
We saw with Covid lockdowns, China's zero covid policy and the Evergreen fiasco that global supply chains are over exposed.
The US is uniquely placed to protect itself by re-shoring or near-shoring manufacturing and supply chains; The opposite is true for China, afaik.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 10 Mar 2023 21:13)
No way man don't you know Joe Biden is an accomplished free diver? Old Joe took one deep breath and planted explosives on both pipelines in one dive.



Mainly valid points if not fairly speculative.

I think the US has a unique geographical and economic potential that almost no other country has; Also a demographic advantage currently.

An interesting point that you touched on with the workforce comment, is something that is already happening, a sort of "de-globalization" in relation particularly to supply chains.
We saw with Covid lockdowns, China's zero covid policy and the Evergreen fiasco that global supply chains are over exposed.
The US is uniquely placed to protect itself by re-shoring or near-shoring manufacturing and supply chains; The opposite is true for China, afaik.


One of the United States Greatest Advantages to me is geographical position which i completely agree with you. Her two nearest neighbours are zero threat.
The greatest threat towards America now, apart from the Rise of the Chinese is actually her own people. The great political divide, the so called " woke culture " thinking that Maths is Racist, the far right , and when it comes to education, the famous affirmative action.

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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 10 Mar 2023 03:51)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJYOaGDO20


If you want to nuke france you need:
- 1 - to ban it from NATO
- 2 - to have nukes ^_^

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 10 Mar 2023 12:53)
Let people here bash the west. Let them bash the west right up until Wagner or the CCP are knocking on their door.
According to them nothing negative in the world happens without "the west" having a hand in it.

The grass isn't always greener, but whatever helps them normalize how authoritarian regimes will act.


In France we have a good 25% who don't want to do anything to help Ukraine and are eventually praising Putin's regime. These people are also constantly criticizing the current democratic system.
Dunno how it is in your country exactly but the main reason for this is ignorance. Asking them to clearly formulate their "solution" to solve the "problems" systematically leads to silence, no answer:
They simply stop to talk or do a diversion. Terrible.

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They complain of “being 'sent to massacre.'” Several groups of Russian soldiers mobilized in Ukraine denounce the conditions in which they are sent to fight, without preparation or equipment, in videos circulating in Russia in recent days.



- All the videos feature mobilized soldiers who complain of being sent into combat in such unprepared and disorganized conditions that leave them with little chance of survival.

- Russian soldiers denounce the fact that they have been drawn into the ranks of the separatist forces of the Republics of Lugansk and Donetsk, such as these soldiers from Irkutsk, Novosibirsk and Krasnoyarsk, who recorded a message addressed directly to Vladimir Putin broadcast on March 7 on a Siberian Telegram channel. "We were transferred to the First Slavic Brigade of the Donetsk People's Republic and sent to storm fortified areas without any artillery support or heavy equipment. In short, we were sent to slaughter under mortar fire, d 'artillery and heavy machine guns'

- Mobilized soldiers also complained of being "sent to the assault without contact with unit commanders, without fire support, or […] artillery support and aerial reconnaissance". Above all, these soldiers ask the Russian President to intervene "urgently, because punitive measures are being prepared against [them]".

- Another point common to most of these videos is the lying strategy of the Russian army leadership of which these men seem to have been victims. Most of them claim that they were told that they would be confined to second or even third line tasks, like those Siberian soldiers who thought they were going to "monitor the installations and ensure the defense of the territory" and who find themselves used "in assault sections without training or preparation". “Some of these men are overweight, over 50 years old and absolutely incapable of taking on such missions”, explained the wife of one of them recently on another Telegram channel.

The source is trusted:
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/video-quand-les-mobilises-russes-interpellent-vladimir-poutine-pour-se-plaindre-d-etre-envoyes-au-massacre_5702174.html

===> This is what you get with such amazing regimes.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 01:17pm)
One of the United States Greatest Advantages to me is geographical position which i completely agree with you. Her two nearest neighbours are zero threat.
The greatest threat towards America now, apart from the Rise of the Chinese is actually her own people. The great political divide, the so called " woke culture " thinking that Maths is Racist, the far right , and when it comes to education, the famous affirmative action.


your on fire today. dont disagree with any of that either, the only nuance is I would, as related to people, the greatest threat to america is the cultural and political divide in the country in tandem with its overarching long term foreign policy and domestic policies.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 10 2023 09:30am)
If you want to nuke france you need:
- 1 - to ban it from NATO
- 2 - to have nukes ^_^


Ok deal! BIN

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 01:00pm)
I highly doubt it. I think they are being thrown under the bus.

^ferdia thinks that this might end earliest in 2025. I think it might be even sooner.
We need to look at America's statement towards the Ukrainians these coming months.

The Data in regards to Ukraine destroying Nord Stream is just a start. I read it on New York Times.


The news did come from america, who is most likely behind pipeline explosion.
Either them or ukraine anyway
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Quote (SylvesterStallone @ 10 Mar 2023 21:33)
The news did come from america, who is most likely behind pipeline explosion.
Either them or ukraine anyway


You can quote me, Ukraine do not have the hardware or software to do it.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 09:34am)
You can quote me, Ukraine do not have the hardware or software to do it.


My bet is the US or UK, or at least backed by them.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 01:34pm)
You can quote me, Ukraine do not have the hardware or software to do it.


If people really wanted to know they would force Sweden to provide what they know.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 01:34pm)
You can quote me, Ukraine do not have the hardware or software to do it.


That's possibly true as well.

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If people really wanted to know they would force Sweden to provide what they know.


They have to keep their mouth shut if they want to enter nato

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