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Mar 9 2023 08:51pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 9 2023 10:08pm)
Check out your other thread where a little weasel posted something ridiculously stupid.
With all seriousness, it could have been a good thread discussing what when wrong, why it comes to this and how it is affecting everyone on a global scale.
Good constructive discourse can be achieved and fair criticism towards both sides can be discussed




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Mar 10 2023 12:36am
Dunno if someone has posted it yet:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/09/donald-trump-have-let-putin-annex-ukraine-end-war/

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The former president told Sean Hannity’s radio show: “Don’t forget, under Bush they take over Georgia, under Obama they took over Crimea. And, under Biden, they’re taking over everything. [...]
“And, under Trump, you know what they took over? They took nothing, Russia. First time, first president in a long time. He [Putin] understood. He would have never done it.”

Mr Trump added: “That’s without even negotiating a deal. I could have negotiated. At worst, I could have made a deal to take over something, you know, there are certain areas that are Russian speaking areas, right, like, but you could have worked a deal. And now Ukraine is just being blown to smithereens.”
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Mar 10 2023 12:57am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Mar 2023 14:36)


I mentioned way earlier if Trump was president, there wouldn't be a war
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Mar 10 2023 01:21am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 10 2023 12:36am)


That's treason. Anyone who suggests we should have arrived at the same end point without sacrificing enormous amounts of ukrainian blood and ukrainian treasure, is a russian agent.
All the lies Trump ever told in denying the Mueller report finding him guilty of collusion are exposed right here- he's colluding with Russia in front of us.
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Mar 10 2023 02:23am
Quote (ownyaah @ 9 Mar 2023 20:30)
So every nation US invaded were terrorists? Who commited 9/11? Pretty sure it was your saudi friends.

Also you are making a very good case for countries to develop nukes.

Ngl there is few things more funny than nazi poles, considering the Nazis tried to eradicate you.


A terrorist, or the potential terrorists.
Once a country develops nukes they can do pretty much nearly whatever they want.
So its important to attack and disarm them before they actually have their nukes.
Countries like Iran, like North Korea they try to build nukes, its not a secret. I wish the world decided to attack and disarm them.
The world would be much more safer place in the future.
I understand why USA no more attacks countries like North Korea, they simply can't do everything and police the world themselves. other countries like China should participate in global security, instead of just short term politics.
North Korea is Asian, China continent, they should solve this problem imo.
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Mar 10 2023 02:30am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 10 Mar 2023 07:57)
I mentioned way earlier if Trump was president, there wouldn't be a war


Trump would have given Russia half Ukraine, as a deal, a compromise.
Then in 5 years Putin asks again for more, and he gets another half.
Then in another 5 years Putin asks for Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. Donald Trump makes a compromise and give them Lithuania and Latvia.
Then in another 5 years Putin asks for Poland and Czechia and Hungary.
As a compromise is given a Poland.
Do you see where it goes?
This is how Russian make politics: they keep asking more and more.
In the 18th century this is how they took Poland. Piece by piece.
Once it was clear they are lying, it was too late to stop them.
Dont make the same mistake.
Also do you think that Ukrainians would have give away half of their country, because Trump told them to?
No, they would fight, although they would lose quickly the war without USA/west assistance.
And when they lose, this is where the genocide starts.
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Mar 10 2023 04:28am
Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 10 2023 02:30am)
Trump would have given Russia half Ukraine, as a deal, a compromise.
Then in 5 years Putin asks again for more, and he gets another half.
Then in another 5 years Putin asks for Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. Donald Trump makes a compromise and give them Lithuania and Latvia.
Then in another 5 years Putin asks for Poland and Czechia and Hungary.
As a compromise is given a Poland.
Do you see where it goes?
This is how Russian make politics: they keep asking more and more.
In the 18th century this is how they took Poland. Piece by piece.
Once it was clear they are lying, it was too late to stop them.
Dont make the same mistake.
Also do you think that Ukrainians would have give away half of their country, because Trump told them to?
No, they would fight, although they would lose quickly the war without USA/west assistance.
And when they lose, this is where the genocide starts.


You don't get to claim a slippery slope when someone is climbing back to the starting point after you pushed them down the hill
NATO tries to steal Ukraine from Russia. Russia seizes it back. That's just a return to status quo ante, or in this hypothetical, not even that- NATO would still be seizing west ukraine

Russia isn't asking for 'more and more', they're asking for what was taken from them. When has Russia actually tried to expand its sphere of influence beyond the soviet era? They're not trying to seize poland or hungary lmao
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Mar 10 2023 04:34am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 10 2023 06:57am)
I mentioned way earlier if Trump was president, there wouldn't be a war


I have made no secret of the fact that I do not like Trump and that he further (Mitch McConnell and co. were doing it long before him) wrecked the foundations or pillars of democracy in the united states. However, he WOULD have been able to come to an arrangement with Putin. Now, everyone can deride Trump for selling Ukraine out "appeasement" in its truest form, but I would like to see what everyone thinks of this in 2 years time. And sure you can say but ferdia you cant have a crystal ball and know how the war will end, so lets wait and see. Would Ukraine have been better off had they allowed the places they that bombed for years to be subsumed into Russia (or better yet, not bombing those places in the first place and tried to live with Russia on their doorstep) or are they better off trusting the west to enable them to retake all of Ukraine (including Crimea), at whatever the cost.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 10 2023 04:37am
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Mar 10 2023 04:59am
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I have made no secret of the fact that I do not like Trump and that he further (Mitch McConnell and co. were doing it long before him) wrecked the foundations or pillars of democracy in the united states. However, he WOULD have been able to come to an arrangement with Putin. Now, everyone can deride Trump for selling Ukraine out "appeasement" in its truest form, but I would like to see what everyone thinks of this in 2 years time. And sure you can say but ferdia you cant have a crystal ball and know how the war will end, so lets wait and see. Would Ukraine have been better off had they allowed the places they that bombed for years to be subsumed into Russia (or better yet, not bombing those places in the first place and tried to live with Russia on their doorstep) or are they better off trusting the west to enable them to retake all of Ukraine (including Crimea), at whatever the cost.


Trump is a piece of work for sure.
There is an old saying from old China. Well, people will hate this phrase.

" Sometimes a competent corrupted official is a lot more better than an incompetent honest official. "

On top of your statement, Trump might have slowed down the Chinese advance for at least 10 to 15 years.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 10 2023 05:00am
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Mar 10 2023 05:01am
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Trump is a piece of work for sure.
There is an old saying from old China. Well, people will hate this phrase.

" Sometimes a competent corrupted official is a lot more better than an incompetent honest official. "


That is the chinese ethos. I have read and watched enough about that ethos to accept both the positives and negatives of it. They are literally flummoxed by the idea of an affair or some corruption being the reason for a competent official resigning/being sacked. But yes, most people would probably just say "China, lol".
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