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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Mar 2023 03:37)
Ironfister was not talking about the moral dimension of foreign interventions, he was talking about how legit Putin and nationalist political elites (purported) fears about a NATO attack against them actually are. And in this regard, Western attacks against small countries without nukes are indeed no proof that the same fate awaits Russia.



I made changes and the fears of a direct NATO intervention is unwarranted fears because (Nukes). But what they fear is not a military conflict or intervention. It is perhaps something more sinister than a direct confrontation.
Legit or not , it is up to the sitting politicians to spin the narratives. As it is the same for every other country.

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I made changes and the fears of a direct NATO intervention is unwarranted fears because (Nukes). But what they fear is not a military conflict or intervention. It is perhaps something more sinister than a direct confrontation.
Legit or not , it is up to the sitting politicians to spin the narratives. As it is the same for every other country.


im not sure, did you respond to my comments re: the georgia law ?
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im not sure, did you respond to my comments re: the georgia law ?


wait let me read. I kinda just woke up :)
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Seriously disturbing
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I dont think he said Saudi was his friends. The US has interests in the region so they are "friends" with Saudi by "circumstances". if you overlook the small matters - treatment of women and journalists, funding of terrorist organisations that are in direct conflict with the US, human rights abuses etc etc etc etc, Saudi is pretty ok ? maybe ? maybe not ? no ? Definitely not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

allies of the US indeed.


When 9/11 happened, before the proper shale boom the relation between US and Saudis was very different. The relationship was close to that of a client state, nobody in the US cared about their "human rights" abuses at that time, or even their involvement in 9/11 because of oil dependency.

Funnily enough even decade+ later when Iran bombed Aramco, they were utterly surprised by the lack of support from the US. Even despite oil dependency being gone, they expected a lot. The complete pivot, and why Biden was embarrassed in Saudi Arabia was followed.


I was poking fun at him, and his flawed logic, because Saudis are the epitome of totalitarianists/terrorists, but at that time, all that mattered was politics and oil-dependency.

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^Hamsterbaby you might have seen this in the news, any view ?

Georgia's ruling party has said it will withdraw a controversial draft law, in the face of mass protests and widespread international criticism. Thousands of protesters have taken to the streets in Tbilisi this week in anger as a Russian-style law began its passage through parliament. Under the bill, non-government groups and media would be targeted if they take over 20% of funding from abroad. The main ruling party said it was pulling the bill "unconditionally". Describing itself as a party of government responsible to all members of society, Georgian Dream referred to the need to reduce "confrontation" in society.

Georgia has applied for candidate status of the European Union and sought to join Nato. EU officials had condemned the draft legislation as incompatible with EU values.

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just conscious of information you previously provided to the effect ~ The Foreign Interference (Countermeasures) Act 2021, or Fica, is a statute of the Parliament of Singapore. Enacted in 2021, it seeks to "protect the public interest by counteracting acts of foreign interference". The Bill was introduced on 13 September 2021 and passed on 4 October 2021.

My own view is every country needs some form of rule/register like this to prevent foreign interference (which is what we see rampant throughout the world today) but that it is obviously quite tricky to word and implement, for the obvious reasons (foreign actors would not be happy with it and some governments run the risk of infringing on people civil liberties). Pretty sure Italy does not have such a law. Some one spare a thought for the poor Italians...


Your view is correct. As a matter of fact before Fica , Lee Kuan Yew already made such laws and warnings as early as 1970s

read here

https://www.nytimes.com/1972/11/26/archives/singapore-leader-threatens-press-lee-says-those-who-print-unfit.html

The mass protest in Georgia only shows one thing truly. That " Western " interference , led by a few bigwigs, not all Western but lets just put it as western for now, have already entrenched itself into domestic politics in Georgia.
Such laws should be in place because this doesn't only protect Georgia from foreign interference from US " Led " West , it is also protecting the country from Putin's Russia and if you want to go as far, it will also protect Georgia from Sino influence in media from the East ( I don't think China bother doing that really ).

Similarly speaking I believe there is a law in the USA that you cannot own mass media i.e Newspapers etc etc if you are not an American Citizen see Rupert Murdoch.
We have seen NGOs like NED and other Pro "Western" democracy groups and what kind of effect they can have on local and domestic politics.

Having lived in Hong Kong for the past 13 years and as you would have read about , all those massive protest are a huge proof of how sinister it can be.

These are things I will never or have yet to experienced in Singapore due to the laws in places.

Lee Kuan Yew said this.
The Muslim problem can only be solved by the Muslims.
In that sense.

The Chinese, The Russians, The Ukrainians , The whatever country you put into the bracket can only be solved effectively by themselves.
More often than not, a foreign intervention will only put it into a chaos and a dark abyss that is difficult for any country to climb out of it.

If a country depends on a foreign actor to solve their problems, they will be beholden to them in future when needed and called upon.
In such situations , that particular country and her citizens might become cannon folders or their resources being unfairly exhausted when time comes.
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https://i.redd.it/8cgujm7czsma1.jpg

Seriously disturbing


Should we start posting piled up dead Ukranians, telegram is filled with videos of Ukranians in 1000 different positions? Prefer to discuss politics, and not that shit your posting.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 9 2023 08:37pm)
Ironfister was not talking about the moral dimension of foreign interventions, he was talking about how legit Russia's (purported) fears about a NATO attack against them actually are. And in this regard, Western attacks against small countries without nukes are indeed no proof that the same fate awaits Russia.


Sounds legit :thumbsup:

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Should we start posting piled up dead Ukranians, telegram is filled with videos of Ukranians in 1000 different positions? Prefer to discuss politics, and not that shit your posting.

Why you so mad, your views are infantile, chill out and post more "world socialist website" source instead lmao.

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Why you so mad, your views are infantile, chill out and post more "world socialist website" source instead lmao.


Kinda funny, your virtue signaling when the main goal of your post was to post " dead orc " and you think people are oblivious to it. Go have another gender-change loser.

Talking about politics, pragmatism and understanding the mechanics of the world /=/ poking fun at misfortune of others. Only, deeply mentally sick people derive happiness from others misery. Accepting, understanding the reasons why it exists, is entirely different.

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