Quote (ferdia @ 9 Mar 2023 16:59)

If you want to win the point relating to military assistance, you should give an example of any other country that the US has invest as much money into over the last 12 years (hint: Taiwan), explain why it invested that much, accept I may have a counter argument and then we can see who wins the point.

I am not openly asking for Ukraine to be annexed by Russia - I produced an article which outlined the current state of affairs in Ukraine (i.e. in a protracted war, Russia simply has more men, ergo more likely to win). You will note I also referenced a Ukrainian poll which highlighted that 97% of Ukrainians want all of Ukraine (including Crimea) back, and they believe they will win the war.

stating what is likely to happen (the war, a russian win) does not mean that I like it.

Quote (ferdia @ 9 Mar 2023 16:04)

also ^Djunior here is some ammunition for you : https://www.hoover.org/research/what-americas-strategic-interest-ukraine

the notable snippet: "A generation of American diplomats, including Henry Kissinger and former Ambassador to Russia William Burns, warned that expanding NATO to Ukraine was a tripwire for Russia.German documents published by Der Spiegel in February 2022 confirm that Western powersgave Russia written assurance in 1990 against NATO expansion. Russia’s prostration after its 1998 debt default, though, allowed NATO to ignore these assurances. "

alot of grim reading in that link btw. I might just dump the entire article in here later.

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 04:37pm)

It is true that in 1991-1992 NATO had no intention of enlarging, and its statements to the Russians were accurate, as things stood at the time. Moreover, they were never framed in the form of obligations or promises, even if the Russians interpreted them that way, and were not put into writing.

Source:
https://ecfr.eu/article/commentary_nato_enlargement_assurances_and_misunderstandings/

Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 9 2023 04:14pm)

It's not about winning a point... But circle jerking on it non-stop. Even in your profile you have two videos on this.

First you are always talking about US and never about Putin & related warlords mechanics, or the whole Russia-China-Iran-North Korea issue.

Second the US assistance to Ukraine exists since a while... https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/06/15/fact-sheet-us-assistance-ukraine-february-2014

Now please, tell me more about war crimes done by Russia to "protect themselves agains the evil US" ...

Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 9 2023 03:57pm)

Fatality meme:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/419/309/bf6.png

Quote (ferdia @ 9 Mar 2023 16:04)

Russia, and Ukraine, are running out of munitions. This is a fact. Ukraine is re-supplied by the West and Russia is resupplied both internally and by trade partners.

I read an article which purports that 97% of the Russian military is focused on Ukraine. This to my mind means, if there is no improvement in the Russian position over the next 3-6 months it is very likely that they will have to conscript more men and move their country into a more warlike footing (production etc). On reading several papers this would appear to be what the Hawks in Russia want to do. [ Hawks are people that want to settle things with sword and guns not papers and talking ].

There is no evidence to suggest that Ukraine will admit defeat. There is no evidence to suggest that Russia is capable of a swift victory. There is no evidence to suggest there will be peace in 2023. There is evidence to suggest that as the war escalates it will change (get worse) not end.

In another paper, a national survey, 97% of Ukrainian respondents believed that Ukraine will win the war. quoting now "The survey also offered importance insights into Ukrainian perceptions of victory. Perhaps the most significant finding was that Ukrainians are not ready to accept a return to the status quo on the eve of the full-scale invasion, when Russia already occupied Crimea and parts of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions in eastern Ukraine. Instead, a commanding majority of Ukrainians are convinced that only the full restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity within the country’s internationally recognized borders can bring peace."

also ^Djunior here is some ammunition for you : https://www.hoover.org/research/what-americas-strategic-interest-ukraine

the notable snippet: "A generation of American diplomats, including Henry Kissinger and former Ambassador to Russia William Burns, warned that expanding NATO to Ukraine was a tripwire for Russia.German documents published by Der Spiegel in February 2022 confirm that Western powersgave Russia written assurance in 1990 against NATO expansion. Russia’s prostration after its 1998 debt default, though, allowed NATO to ignore these assurances. "

alot of grim reading in that link btw. I might just dump the entire article in here later.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 9 2023 04:52pm)

Der Spiegel has always been the most Russia-friendly of Germany's "high reputation" newspapers for the past half century. And their quality and reputation have gone downhill a lot over the past 2 decades. A couple of years ago, they were involved in a scandal where hard proof emerged that one of their award-winning journalists had literally made up most of the stories in his articles, which their quality-control didn't catch. They're not total gutter press that can be readily discarded, but we definitely shouldn't take their reports for gospel either.

Quote (ferdia @ 9 Mar 2023 17:46)

Putin is not providing billions to countries all over the world to fund war. Russia is isolationist. China is funding billions to countries all over the world, but thats mostly for infrastructure.

I have posted multiple comments relating to Russia, China, not so much Iran and N.Korea. the easiest response is straight from google:

Iran: The United States attributes the worsening of relations to the 1979–81 Iran hostage crisis, Iran's repeated human rights abuses since the Islamic Revolution, its anti-Western ideology and its nuclear program. Since 1995, the United States has had an embargo on trade with Iran. not a safe place to visit.
N.Korea: Im sorry by North Korea is just a s*** hole. strongly recommended never to go there.

Quote (meWW @ 9 Mar 2023 18:05)

It's so sad how the right wing supports Russia blindly. :lol:
I'm right wing and i'm so confused when i see right wings from the first world support Russia :rofl:

Quote (Bananii @ 9 Mar 2023 17:49)

fuckin propaganda. in fact it is:
US puts a gun at the countries head and say „hey bois listen: you want join nato now, we build military bases in yor country and take control over your state ä, your ressources and anything else, kut we let the world know that you’re souverane aight? you join our capitalistic godly system, we borrow you billions of money, enslave you with tricks, make 10% of your countries people „rich“, while rest will suck even more ccks, then you can buy weapons and shit from us to protect yourself from our enemy, what will be your enemy aswell now, even you were good for centuries. then youll be fine.
if you dont like that idea, we will force you.“