I read better than you obviously, this is you opinion that "West is bad, and Russia good... Negotiation works... Putins keep his words..." Lmao.
Already replied how this is all non-sense. Several times: I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.

how do you call that an optimist output? that would put nuclear weapons into the hands of randical fundamentalists and would be a breeding ground for conflict.

No need to rely on elements that everyone knows. Note down i also wrote: optimistic output. I never said this will happend for sure in 2025.

Fragmentation of Russia, can you understand the idea ? this is why there was quotes ' '. The Russia like the one we had 2 years ago 'won't exists' anymore. Started with their army failure already.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 9 2023 07:55am

I haven't followed every post you made, so I don't know what "NATO sources" you posted. I don't know how John McCain speaking to Ukrainians is at all relevant, lol. McCain at that time was not in control of the US government.

What's interesting to me is how Russia apologists like you and ofthevoid deploy Russian tactics. The results of the unjust wars started by the West do nothing to disprove my arguments.

And it's irrelevant. We're talking about what's happening in today's world, and Russia is an evil actor, deploying genocidal language and tactics against a sovereign people. A retort that begins with "but what about" is a demonstration of irrelevant moral equivalence, and more importantly, moral cowardice.

To the last point, this is standard Trumpist tactics. "You criticize Trump, so you're just infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome and we can't take you seriously". This is what you are saying. I criticize Russia, so you turn it into some preoccupation of mine, as if others are subject to the same malady towards Sweden and Finland. It's horseshit, and you know it's horseshit. Stop with the nonsense.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 9 2023 07:58am

XistenZ



"randical fundamentalists" ? What else do you see in your crystal ball ? Btw Russians nationalists will keep nuclear power for them. We already had a fall in 1991-2000.
We have Iran for that... Friend of China, Russia, North Korea... Nuclear proliferation will be hard to avoid, unfortunately.

ps: i'm relying on some article i just read from .... 2016
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/the-world-in-2025-china-loses-power-russia-wont-exist/news-story/

It's terrifying

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 9 2023 08:02am

it is terrifying.

Especially if you read in details the info is coming from more likely (republican?) thinktank but still: many of the predictions happened.
I love the one where's putin seeks to re-establish old USSR borders.
/e the funder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman
website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratfor
https://worldview.stratfor.com/

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 9 2023 08:16am

You're a liar, I never said the West is bad, Russia good. All I did was pointing out FACT that cannot be refuted, is that why you're so mad?

Here you go








What utter crap. "I dunno what McCcain was doing there, I think it's not relevant, lol"

I'm done replying to you, tool.

"Hypocrite" "liar" "tool" "dishonest" ... Okay...

Blaming NATO while trying to justify Gulag ?

I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you:

At a joint press conference in January 2003, Putin responded to a question about Ukraine. “Ukraine is an independent sovereign state, and it will choose its own path to peace and security”

Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/

==> List of Sovereign States in the World: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states

The invasion of Ukraine may also have violated international agreements that Russia is a party to, including:
The 1975 Helsinki Final Act, in which the USSR promised not to violate the "territorial integrity" of other signees, including through the use of force. Russia and Ukraine were both created as a result of the USSR's breakup.
The 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom agreed "to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."
The Minsk Agreements, which are a pair of ceasefire agreements signed by Russia and Ukraine relating to the conflict between those countries that began in 2014

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine



Putin: Soviet collapse a 'genuine tragedy'



U.N Resolution condemning military agression of Ukraine:



Fatality meme:



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 9 2023 09:10am

Russia, and Ukraine, are running out of munitions. This is a fact. Ukraine is re-supplied by the West and Russia is resupplied both internally and by trade partners.

I read an article which purports that 97% of the Russian military is focused on Ukraine. This to my mind means, if there is no improvement in the Russian position over the next 3-6 months it is very likely that they will have to conscript more men and move their country into a more warlike footing (production etc). On reading several papers this would appear to be what the Hawks in Russia want to do. [ Hawks are people that want to settle things with sword and guns not papers and talking ].

There is no evidence to suggest that Ukraine will admit defeat. There is no evidence to suggest that Russia is capable of a swift victory. There is no evidence to suggest there will be peace in 2023. There is evidence to suggest that as the war escalates it will change (get worse) not end.

In another paper, a national survey, 97% of Ukrainian respondents believed that Ukraine will win the war. quoting now "The survey also offered importance insights into Ukrainian perceptions of victory. Perhaps the most significant finding was that Ukrainians are not ready to accept a return to the status quo on the eve of the full-scale invasion, when Russia already occupied Crimea and parts of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions in eastern Ukraine. Instead, a commanding majority of Ukrainians are convinced that only the full restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity within the country’s internationally recognized borders can bring peace."

also here is some ammunition for you : https://www.hoover.org/research/what-americas-strategic-interest-ukraine

the notable snippet: "A generation of American diplomats, including Henry Kissinger and former Ambassador to Russia William Burns, warned that expanding NATO to Ukraine was a tripwire for Russia. German documents published by Der Spiegel in February 2022 confirm that Western powers gave Russia written assurance in 1990 against NATO expansion. Russia’s prostration after its 1998 debt default, though, allowed NATO to ignore these assurances. "

alot of grim reading in that link btw. I might just dump the entire article in here later.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 9 2023 09:15am