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Mar 9 2023 06:01am
Quote (ferdia @ 9 Mar 2023 12:43)

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The Russia cannot go nuclear vs Ukraine.
Using a nuclear weapons in an offensive war will be too much for countries over the world.
Unless Russia uses only small Rockets, but then USA will give Ukraine conventional missiles to strike Moscow.
So ATM both countries are fighting with one hand only.

There are some limits to how many soldiers Russia can draft from people. nobody knows the exact limit. But they can't just draft endlessly.
They are also slowly running out of ammunition, out of tanks and other equipment.
They also start having budżet problems.
So no, the Russians cannot indefinitely fight the war on full scale.
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Mar 9 2023 06:08am
Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 01:01pm)
The Russia cannot go nuclear vs Ukraine.
Using a nuclear weapons in an offensive war will be too much for countries over the world.
Unless Russia uses only small Rockets, but then USA will give Ukraine conventional missiles to strike Moscow.
So ATM both countries are fighting with one hand only.

There are some limits to how many soldiers Russia can draft from people. nobody knows the exact limit. But they can't just draft endlessly.
They are also slowly running out of ammunition, out of tanks and other equipment.
They also start having budżet problems.
So no, the Russians cannot indefinitely fight the war on full scale.


again??
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Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 12:01pm)
The Russia cannot go nuclear vs Ukraine.
Using a nuclear weapons in an offensive war will be too much for countries over the world.
Unless Russia uses only small Rockets, but then USA will give Ukraine conventional missiles to strike Moscow.
So ATM both countries are fighting with one hand only.

There are some limits to how many soldiers Russia can draft from people. nobody knows the exact limit. But they can't just draft endlessly.
They are also slowly running out of ammunition, out of tanks and other equipment.
They also start having budżet problems.
So no, the Russians cannot indefinitely fight the war on full scale.


forgive me when I say that I hope America never gives Ukraine weapons with the intention of bombing Moscow. While I live far away the responding nuclear fallout will still probably kill everyone in my country, and in yours.

Quote (Bananii @ Mar 9 2023 12:08pm)
again??


“There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume. If we wish to make it softer, we will tune it to a whisper. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly, and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: There is nothing wrong with your television set. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to . . . The Outer Limits.”

The twilight zone is also worth mentioning.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 9 2023 06:14am
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Quote (Bananii @ 9 Mar 2023 13:08)
again??


Yup, they didnt manage to stop Ukraine electricity in the winter.
They fight for Bachmut for like 5 months already.
This is because they have limited resources, limited ammunition.
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Mar 9 2023 06:22am
Quote (ferdia @ 9 Mar 2023 13:08)
forgive me when I say that I hope America never gives Ukraine weapons with the intention of bombing Moscow. While I live far away the responding nuclear fallout will still probably kill everyone in my country, and in yours.



Sily boy Putin is not going to launch nukes over western world if an airport in Moscow gets hit by Ukraine defending their own country from Russian assault.
He is evil, but doesnt want to end the world.
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Mar 9 2023 06:33am
Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 09:58am)
Putin would eat Ukraine in every scenerio.
He could eat them peacefully, like he does with Belarus, but its still eating.
You speak bullshit saying that Putin is a good man.
He is evil. He wants to rebuild USSR empire from the past, he literally said it, its all in his letters/speaches.


@bolded --> You're a liar, I didn't say that --> I said US / EU / NATO should not have pushed for Ukraine EU + NATO membership.

You're dishonest and one only needs to have a look at your sig, you're a pro EU / US / NATO drone like so many that post here.


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Quote (Djunior @ 9 Mar 2023 13:33)
@bolded --> You're a liar, I didn't say that --> I said US / EU / NATO should not have pushed for Ukraine EU + NATO membership.

You're dishonest and one only needs to have a look at your sig, you're a pro EU / US / NATO drone like so many that post here.


You told that:
"Ukraine would still be an independent nation" and this is only possible if Putin has good intentions over Ukraine.
Which he obviously doesnt.
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Mar 9 2023 06:47am
Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 12:43pm)
You told that:
"Ukraine would still be an independent nation" and this is only possible if Putin has good intentions over Ukraine.
Which he obviously doesnt.


You are literally creating made up sentences, picking the words (out of context) to suit your narrative. I will actually give you the benefit of the doubt, ie. that you do not know why your argument (or logic) is wrong.

With brevity, Putin does not have good intentions for ukraine and he is not a good man.

What I would recommend is, if you think someone said something, quote it, dont create what you think they said, just repeat what they said in order to highlight their position and refute it.

here is an example ( i am taking snippets of your posts as an example, but this could be done for any regular poster that posts).

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 8 2023 06:10pm)
If Krab is lets say 20% korean components then Korean government shouldnt have the right to ban the export of the finał product.That's just common sense.


its not common common sense.

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 8 2023 06:28pm)
Lets talk about the business model: german high wages, cheap imports.
It was never sustainable in the long run.


it could have been.

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 08:36am)
lets say the western world decides to sacrifice part of their democratic world, part of their businesses to please mr Putin. What happens then? Russia evil empire grows by 50%.Ukrainian brave people are conscripted into Russian army. (They will not have another choice) Russia army grows from 1,5mln to 2,5mln people. Russia attacks east Europe next.


size of Russia: 17,100,000 million km²
size of Ukraine: 603,700 km²

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 08:58am)
You speak bullshit saying that Putin is a good man.


he never said Putin was a good man.

Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 10:12am)
Russia is a medium country... they are a limited threat...Because of their limited size...they are limited risk.


11% total landmass on the planet, with one of the largest, if not the largest, stockpile of nuclear weapons. limited threat. "ok".

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So what you want to do is compile quotes that look as idiotic as this (from djunior, me or whoever) in order to dismantle someones argument.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 9 2023 07:06am
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Quote (ferdia @ 9 Mar 2023 13:47)
You are literally creating made up sentences, picking the words (out of context) to suit your narrative. I will actually give you the benefit of the doubt, ie. that you do not know why your argument (or logic) is wrong.

With brevity, Putin does not have good intentions for ukraine and he is not a good man.

What I would recommend is, if you think someone said something, quote it, dont create what you think they said, just repeat what they said.


You know how the people did quotes before quote tag was invented? They used: " "
And that's exactly what i'm using. It has exactly same meaning as the quote tag. He literally said that sentence:
"Ukraine would still be an independent nation"
Its not made up.
Here, check it yourself:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=641789727#p641789727
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Mar 9 2023 07:07am
Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 9 2023 01:03pm)
You know how the people did quotes before quote tag was invented? They used: " "
And that's exactly what i'm using. It has exactly same meaning as the quote tag. He literally said that sentence:
"Ukraine would still be an independent nation"
Its not made up.
Here, check it yourself:
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=641789727#p641789727


see my edited post.

also you referred to this:

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 9 2023 08:52am)
Cut the crap dude. If EU / US / NATO didn't welcome Ukrainian / Georgian membership in 2008 and didn't stage a coup in 2014 (Euromaidan) proving they were serious, we wouldn't be here today and Ukraine would still be an independent nation. Russia would still be able to lease their naval base (like they did), all would be good.

People like you hate Russia, push for further NATO expansion and you've found out what happens if you push it too far.


Nowhere in there did he say that Putin is a good man and I agree completely with what he said there. YOU dont, and you are entitled to your belief but it is wrong to say that he said something that he did not say.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 9 2023 07:09am
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