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Mar 8 2023 11:02am
Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 8 2023 04:53pm)
Sure, but the moralists will cry


ok here we go, what Senator Mitt Romney said (translated):

It is the US position that China and Russia are our enemies. We can not comprehend a world where these countries are not our enemies even though only 12 years ago they were not our enemies. Russia has dared to say no and China is growing into a regional power that would rival us. This can not be tolerated. The US strategy is to continue to financially support Ukraine. This will weaken Russia (and we will eventually win the war in Ukraine) and we might be able to weaken China as well. Also understand, no American will shed blood in this war for Truth, Justice, Democracy and the American way. USA USA.

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TLDR Mitt Romney basically threw Ukraine under a bus. His script writer should also be fired.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2023 11:04am
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Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 8 2023 05:01pm)
West is not always bad, and East is not always bad. Besides, politics have nothing to do with "bad or good". Big countries have interests, and means, there is a very pragmatic element to their existences/decisions.

Your view of politics is infantile. You are literally a child.


Draft dodging to shitpost. Shitpost multi.
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Mar 8 2023 11:06am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 8 2023 01:04pm)
Draft dodging to shitpost. Shitpost multi.


Everyone who disagrees with me is a multi wahhhhhhh
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Draft dodging to shitpost. Shitpost multi.


I think my post above is one of the few times i agreed with ownyaah btw. look at what you just quoted. you are saying this:

Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 8 2023 05:01pm)
West is not always bad, and East is not always bad. Besides, politics have nothing to do with "bad or good". Big countries have interests, and means, there is a very pragmatic element to their existences/decisions.


is a shit post ? really? I think there is alot of truth in what he said there. I dont have to agree with him all the time with him to agree with him now. There are a number of books relating to these matters that are very informative.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2023 11:07am
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Quote (ferdia @ Mar 8 2023 06:02pm)
ok here we go, what Senator Mitt Romney said (translated):

It is the US position that China and Russia are our enemies. We can not comprehend a world where these countries are not our enemies even though only 12 years ago they were not our enemies. Russia has dared to say no and China is growing into a regional power that would rival us. This can not be tolerated. The US strategy is to continue to financially support Ukraine. This will weaken Russia (and we will eventually win the war in Ukraine) and we might be able to weaken China as well. Also understand, no American will shed blood in this war for Truth, Justice, Democracy and the American way. USA USA.

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TLDR Mitt Romney basically threw Ukraine under a bus. His script writer should also be fired.


:hug:

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 8 2023 06:04pm)
Draft dodging to shitpost. Shitpost multi.


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Quote (Meanwhile @ 8 Mar 2023 17:39)
Hmm interesting:

South Korea approves howitzers transfer to Ukraine for Russia war:

South Korea's government approved export licenses for Poland last year to provide Ukraine with Krab howitzers, which are built with South Korean components, a defense acquisition official in Seoul told Reuters on Wednesday.
The comments are the first confirmation that South Korea officially acquiesced to at least indirectly providing weapons components to Ukraine for its war against Russia.

=> Produced by Poland's Huta Stalowa Wola, the Krab is a self-propelled howitzer made by combining a South Korean K9 Thunder chassis, British BAE Systems turret, French Nexter Systems 155mm gun, and a Polish fire control system.
(https://www.jpost.com/international/article-733674)

The Krab:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHS_Krab

This thing looks weird

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A court in Moscow sentenced a student activist to 8 1/2 years in prison for social media posts criticizing Russia’s war in Ukraine

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-dissent-crackdown-prison-3a693897c37effa5a18a78704c5ed786

=>" too bad we aren't doing the same ! " :rofl:


If Krab is lets say 20% korean components then Korean government shouldnt have the right to ban the export of the finał product.
That's just common sense.
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Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 8 2023 06:10pm)
If Krab is lets say 20% korean components then Korean government shouldnt have the right to ban the export of the finał product.
That's just common sense.


ehm. ok someone else can response to this. I have filled my quota today of headache responses.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2023 12:14pm
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Quote (Ironfister @ 8 Mar 2023 19:10)
If Krab is lets say 20% korean components then Korean government shouldnt have the right to ban the export of the finał product.
That's just common sense.


They can do it, any country or person can decide to stop being part of a common project. Especially when it's a military weapon.
Hopefully they decided to step forward, this is coherent with the progress on the question of joining NATO alliance very soon along with Japan...

Quote (ferdia @ 8 Mar 2023 19:13)
ehm. ok someone else can response to this. I have filled my quota today of headache responses.


Filled by popcorn i guess.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 8 2023 12:24pm
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Mar 8 2023 12:28pm
Quote (Bananii @ 8 Mar 2023 17:30)

you know why it was better 30 years ago?

the wall. it kept outside the cheap workers, but let through the cheap imports.
we were high income country with cheap imports.

now whole world come to germany to work. while working for 50% of the money we germans do, they earn 10x the money they esrn „at home“. whats happening? they come work here, „steal“ our jobs, send home 50%+ of the money, build villas and bug stuff they only can afford at their homes, while we germans have to fight for getting a „wellpayed job“.
theres 2 ways for german firms: offer a german the job, „wellpayed“ or give the job to any imigrant for 50% of the money.
over the time (guess what the firms chose) the loan of a crafter dropped by 50%+, ending up ad a low payed job.
while more and more kids start studying instead of work, there less and less good german crafters.
alot good german crafters leave germany, because its not worth to be payed less then a retard st mcdonalds turning arround meat.

im electrician myself, loved my job at installing new buildings, bring opeople light to the home,
but today i CANT do that job because its low payed. i couldnt hold my flat car etc

again: why should i not fight against this capitalistic scamming motherfuckersystem you guys praise as the „only true way to find peace“?

and btw, i was afk 4 hours working, holy shit you guys are hot 😅

would you guys mind, if we could spend our energy to finf SOLUTIONS for those problems instead of repeat propagandastuff all the time? ty


Lets talk about the business model: german high wages, cheap imports.
It was never sustainable in the long run.
Because if you import from China, they learn how to do stuff.
Lets say we have the Bosch company, who does washing machines and sell them to the world.
30 years ago everybody in the world wanted Bosch washing machines, and bought them from Germany.
But now Chinese learned to make similar, and sell them half price.
Your german Bosch started losing international market.
If they keep their prices twice the Chinese, they go bankrupt.
So the only way for Bosch is either hire immigrants in Germany, or outsource production to some other countries, to keep the price relatively low.
If there is open trade in the world, then the natural effect is Chinese go richer, Germans go poorer. It needs to even in the long run.
Because nobody in the world buys german washing machine if its much more expensive than Chinese.
Also you arent correct that immigrants send money to their country. If the people move, they move. And dont send money to their old country, lol.
If you move to Switzerland to get paid more, would you send money to Germany? Obviously not.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ 8 Mar 2023 19:23)
They can do it, any country or person can decide to stop being part of a common project. Especially when it's a military weapon.
Hopefully they decided to step forward, this is coherent with the progress on the question of joining NATO alliance very soon along with Japan...

Filled by popcorn i guess.


Krab was already exported to Ukraine last year.
The Koreans were simply dodging the press questions for a year.
So I dont expect any policy change.
Ok, maybe Korea could say "we forbid export because it has Korean parts" but then the Poles would probably look for some other parts provider. Even though Korean parts are great, and are one of the reasons why the Krab is one of the best mobile artileries jn the world.
So Korean position wasnt that strong in case of Krab.
But sending Korean vehicles, tanks is a different story than sending components.
Unfortunately Korea still doesnt allow countries to export their korea-made tanks to Ukraine.
It will be a problem for Ukraine next year, if war will continue.
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