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Mar 8 2023 10:22am
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 8 2023 11:15am)
compromise. oh wait, thats a bad word right ?

on the one hand:

one side is right, people born in western country have a natural advantage over alot of people on the planet, this is fact.
the other side is also right, in western countries the working class is ever been given a raw deal. this is also fact.

therefore, as both sides are championing their position, and willfully ignoring the fundamental basic's of the other argument, both sides are proving to be very entertaining, to me. sorry.


Some view unearned advantage as a blessing, and some as a curse. Of course it's true that being born into privilege has many advantages but that has been true for every empire in human history. It is also true that every empire or great civilization has eventually crumbled due to internal or external pressures, despite those advantages.

Assuming your civilization immune to those forces and that it is the pinnacle of human accomplishment is often the type of attitude that leads to the decay of that civilization. It also leads to desperate attempts to hold on to that power, usually at great cost to their own people and others.

That is my view of the current situation, the hegemony of the west is fading and they are using what is left of that power to try and maintain dominance, at an increasing cost to their people, the rest of the world and the values that make life in western countries so much more prosperous than others.
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Mar 8 2023 10:23am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Mar 8 2023 04:22pm)
Some view unearned advantage as a blessing, and some as a curse. Of course it's true that being born into privilege has many advantages but that has been true for every empire in human history. It is also true that every empire or great civilization has eventually crumbled due to internal or external pressures, despite those advantages.

Assuming your civilization immune to those forces and that it is the pinnacle of human accomplishment is often the type of attitude that leads to the decay of that civilization. It also leads to desperate attempts to hold on to that power, usually at great cost to their own people and others.

That is my view of the current situation, the hegemony of the west is fading and they are using what is left of that power to try and maintain dominance, at an increasing cost to their people, the rest of the world and the values that make life in western countries so much more prosperous than others.



There are various debates online, all of which do not use the term "the west" but rather single out a single country. however I dont disagree with what you have said.
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Mar 8 2023 10:28am
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 8 2023 04:21pm)
so lets be clear:

1. Roy Keane was injured in a football match by Haaland.
2. Haaland said inappropriate comments to Roy on the pitch, inferring Roy was faking an injury (he was not)
3. Years went by before they met again on the pitch.
4. Roy Keane purposely injured Haaland. It is open to debate whether this injury ended Haalands career or not.
5. Roy Keane's biographer? Eamon Dunphy wrote in his book that Roy purposely injured Haaland.

I completely agree with you, when you f*** around you find out.

So bringing it back on Topic, Russia told the US not to touch Ukraine. Ukraine was touched inappropriately and Russia is now ending Ukraine.

I dont condone invading ukraine whatsoever but by your own words when you f*** around you find out.


If you think its appropriate to compare 2 athletes injuring each other and 1 nation invading another causing complete destruction, 10million refugees and probably half a million dead so far.

Then, yes.

Do you think its appropriate?
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Mar 8 2023 10:30am
Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 8 2023 05:08pm)
Poland is the part of west NOW.
Hovewer we were not in the past, as we were under Russian occupation after the ww2, so we weren't rich.
If you ask an average german if Germany was better 30 years ago, he will probably tell you: hell yeah, it was better back then.
But if you make same question in Poland, an average person will tell you "now its better".
This is what I mean, historic differences.



you know why it was better 30 years ago?

the wall. it kept outside the cheap workers, but let through the cheap imports.
we were high income country with cheap imports.

now whole world come to germany to work. while working for 50% of the money we germans do, they earn 10x the money they esrn „at home“. whats happening? they come work here, „steal“ our jobs, send home 50%+ of the money, build villas and bug stuff they only can afford at their homes, while we germans have to fight for getting a „wellpayed job“.
theres 2 ways for german firms: offer a german the job, „wellpayed“ or give the job to any imigrant for 50% of the money.
over the time (guess what the firms chose) the loan of a crafter dropped by 50%+, ending up ad a low payed job.
while more and more kids start studying instead of work, there less and less good german crafters.
alot good german crafters leave germany, because its not worth to be payed less then a retard st mcdonalds turning arround meat.

im electrician myself, loved my job at installing new buildings, bring opeople light to the home,
but today i CANT do that job because its low payed. i couldnt hold my flat car etc

again: why should i not fight against this capitalistic scamming motherfuckersystem you guys praise as the „only true way to find peace“?


and btw, i was afk 4 hours working, holy shit you guys are hot 😅


would you guys mind, if we could spend our energy to finf SOLUTIONS for those problems instead of repeat propagandastuff all the time? ty
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Mar 8 2023 10:38am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 8 2023 04:28pm)
If you think its appropriate to compare 2 athletes injuring each other and 1 nation invading another causing complete destruction, 10million refugees and probably half a million dead so far.

Then, yes.

Do you think its appropriate?


The entire western political narrative is casting off any blame of the conflict in ukraine and has basically said the war can end tomorrow if putin goes home.
The entire national and european narrative has dulled people's minds of what actually happened.
People spend more time watching soaps or debating football then debating politic's.

therefore using a football analogy (or the ex-wife analogy as was done previously by me, and others) is appropriate as it is in a crude language that people can comprehend.
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Mar 8 2023 10:39am
Hmm interesting:

South Korea approves howitzers transfer to Ukraine for Russia war:

South Korea's government approved export licenses for Poland last year to provide Ukraine with Krab howitzers, which are built with South Korean components, a defense acquisition official in Seoul told Reuters on Wednesday.
The comments are the first confirmation that South Korea officially acquiesced to at least indirectly providing weapons components to Ukraine for its war against Russia.

=> Produced by Poland's Huta Stalowa Wola, the Krab is a self-propelled howitzer made by combining a South Korean K9 Thunder chassis, British BAE Systems turret, French Nexter Systems 155mm gun, and a Polish fire control system.
(https://www.jpost.com/international/article-733674)

The Krab:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHS_Krab

This thing looks weird

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A court in Moscow sentenced a student activist to 8 1/2 years in prison for social media posts criticizing Russia’s war in Ukraine

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-dissent-crackdown-prison-3a693897c37effa5a18a78704c5ed786

=>" too bad we aren't doing the same ! " :rofl:

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 8 2023 10:43am
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Mar 8 2023 10:42am
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 8 2023 05:38pm)
The entire western political narrative is casting off any blame of the conflict in ukraine and has basically said the war can end tomorrow if putin goes home.
The entire national and european narrative has dulled people's minds of what actually happened.
People spend more time watching soaps or debating football then debating politic's.

therefore using a football analogy (or the ex-wife analogy as was done previously by me, and others) is appropriate as it is in a crude language that people can comprehend.



if ukraine promises not to join nato, not to build US military bases 200km next to moscow, and not to get scammed its gas reservoir by the US, putin would be gone. wiuld never have came
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Mar 8 2023 10:45am
Can someone translate this for me?
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Mar 8 2023 10:46am
Quote (ferdia @ Mar 8 2023 04:38pm)
The entire western political narrative is casting off any blame of the conflict in ukraine and has basically said the war can end tomorrow if putin goes home.
The entire national and european narrative has dulled people's minds of what actually happened.
People spend more time watching soaps or debating football then debating politic's.

therefore using a football analogy (or the ex-wife analogy as was done previously by me, and others) is appropriate as it is in a crude language that people can comprehend.


I didn't actually ask for you to explain it, because clearly there should be no reasonable explanation. Surely no gymnast is that flexible; Alas you actually went there.
I only wanted to know if you believed that was a reasonable comparison.

Man that was a strange to bullet not to dodge, seemed like a no brainer.

Quote (Bananii @ Mar 8 2023 04:30pm)
you know why it was better 30 years ago?

the wall. it kept outside the cheap workers, but let through the cheap imports.
we were high income country with cheap imports.

now whole world come to germany to work. while working for 50% of the money we germans do, they earn 10x the money they esrn „at home“. whats happening? they come work here, „steal“ our jobs, send home 50%+ of the money, build villas and bug stuff they only can afford at their homes, while we germans have to fight for getting a „wellpayed job“.
theres 2 ways for german firms: offer a german the job, „wellpayed“ or give the job to any imigrant for 50% of the money.
over the time (guess what the firms chose) the loan of a crafter dropped by 50%+, ending up ad a low payed job.
while more and more kids start studying instead of work, there less and less good german crafters.
alot good german crafters leave germany, because its not worth to be payed less then a retard st mcdonalds turning arround meat.

im electrician myself, loved my job at installing new buildings, bring opeople light to the home,
but today i CANT do that job because its low payed. i couldnt hold my flat car etc

again: why should i not fight against this capitalistic scamming motherfuckersystem you guys praise as the „only true way to find peace“?


and btw, i was afk 4 hours working, holy shit you guys are hot 😅


would you guys mind, if we could spend our energy to finf SOLUTIONS for those problems instead of repeat propagandastuff all the time? ty


Awh the truth always outs! Brilliant, just brilliant.
Not only is the relatively opulent life you have not good enough for you, its the fault of someone else who DOES appreciate that life.
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Mar 8 2023 10:47am
Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 8 2023 04:45pm)
Can someone translate this for me?
https://i.imgur.com/tyM8oMW.png


ok let me try:

The US will not send troops to Ukraine and therefore Russia is going to win the war.

how am I doing ?

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 8 2023 04:46pm)
I didn't actually ask for you to explain it, because clearly there should be no reasonable explanation. Surely no gymnast is that flexible; Alas you actually went there.
I only wanted to know if you believed that was a reasonable comparison.

Man that was a strange to bullet not to dodge, seemed like a no brainer.

Awh the truth always outs! Brilliant, just brilliant.
Not only is the relatively opulent life you have not good enough for you, its the fault of someone else who DOES appreciate that life.


I dont dodge. Your not wrong, it is inappropriate but in this mad world I cant just ignore some glaring facts and say West Good East Bad. Also can i refer you to the post above by which has quoted an American politican. What he has said is so much worse then what I just said.

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