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Mar 6 2023 12:52pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 6 2023 05:35am)
1) What has "Trump admin" to do with this conflict? NOTHING, blame Biden if you want to address the US president (Trump is against this war FYI, lol).

2) MacGregor is exactly right, Ukraine is desperate and crumbles if not receiving continuous and massive Western support. Zelensky keeps crying for more weapons / tanks / jets and NATO involvement. Completely desperate.

3) YOU should check your language on this forum, I'll give you one example, I got plenty bookmarked. Come at me if you want to try again ;)






The US has a history of bombing the crap out of other countries, I've pointed out you're a hypocrite (you go REEEEE when civilians die in Ukraine, now look at millions of Vietnamese civilians that died which is only one example).




If not for a gargantuan effort (100+ BILLION aid from the US alone) Ukraine would've succumbed long ago, most likely within the first months. MacGregor is right about that and we all know it.

He's also completely right about Ukraine losing manpower and is bleeding white (losing that many people every day is not sustainable and Russia simply has a lot more people).

MSM wont even report on Ukrainian casualties (soldiers).

Do you prefer MSM?


So you assume I am for all bombings done by the US.
LOL ok mr gaslight. Your assumptions stances are pretty comical.
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 6 2023 07:52pm)
So you assume I am for all bombings done by the US.
LOL ok mr gaslight. Your assumptions stances are pretty comical.


You're pretty comical. NATO expansion and the desire to get Ukrainian to join the alliance are facts and cannot be refuted.

Go tell the Russians that a military alliance taking over their Black Sea naval base is notthing to worry about.

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Mar 6 2023 01:07pm
Quote (Djunior @ 6 Mar 2023 20:05)
You're pretty comical. NATO expansion and the desire to get Ukrainian to join the alliance are facts and cannot be refuted.

Go tell the Russians that a military alliance taking over their Black Sea naval base is notthing to worry about.

Clown


Crushing majority is siding with Nato, Ukraine. No one wanted war but Putin pushed for his Russian Empire by invading Ukraine illegally because of his love with USSR gulags etc... Case closed.



This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 6 2023 01:15pm
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Mar 6 2023 01:23pm
Quote (Bananii @ 6 Mar 2023 19:11)
you believe that? where you from again?


I'm polish.
Yes I believe it, Putin in December 2021 demanded that NATO withdrawns from Central/Eastern Europe (Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and the Balkan countries etc).
So this is a clear sign his intentions dont end in Ukraine. After NATO leaves Central/Eastern Europe, Putin will be able to do what he done to Ukraine: put his tanks and artillery here.
Putin demanded Ukraine not to join NATO, NATO listened to him, NATO wanted to please Putin and it was a terrible idea. We wouldnt have this terrible war now, if Ukraine were accepted into NATO 15 years ago.
So appeasement doesnt work for world villains. Didnt work with Hitler, doesnt work with Putin.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 6 Mar 2023 19:50)
You would think that after hearing 'Russia is out of ammo' for now 11 months, at least every other week, some of these people would say okay, fooled me once, fooled me twice, fooled me 10x times, this time I wont fall for very low effort propaganda like this...only for them to fall for it again. It's incredible. Complete inability to logically think about things in the world. Instead of questioning how utterly retarded it is that an army would be fighting with shovels against fully auto rifles and artillery (and somehow succeeding in Bakhmut) they really don't question it. Never mind the fact that this is modern warfare and the average kill is due to getting hit by artillery or an AK bullet from 60 meters away, so what the fuck are they even talking about with hand to hand combat?

What I find more interesting about this is how so much MSM seemingly has the same talking point being deployed all across. In a normal non-controlled news platform you tend to have different scoops, different news stories, different reporters talking about a wide range of things, whatever. Here you see as if some central overarching authority is saying here print this, this is the talking point we're pushing today, and dozens of outlets all spam publish 'Russians using shovels because out of ammo' story. Like where the fuck is investigative journalism? Or we've really reached this point in history that media independency is a complete sham and you have some alphabet agency behind the scenes directing what news is.


Bakhmut they fight like 5 months already?
If they had more ammo, they would have taken it much quicker.
Also Russia didnt manage to shutdown Ukraine energy system in the winter, although there was fear it could be very bad winter for Ukraine.
So yeah, they dont have a lot of ammo imo. Also Ukraine/NATO doesnt have a lot of ammo too.
So the war can possibly end this year.
In the battlefield there is a mess and chaos. In such a mess and chaos its possible to get close to somebody and hit him with melee weapon. You hide in a trench, somebody walks close, you attack him from behind. Its better to attack with a shovel than a bare hand combat.
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Quote (Djunior @ Mar 6 2023 11:05am)
You're pretty comical. NATO expansion and the desire to get Ukrainian to join the alliance are facts and cannot be refuted.

Go tell the Russians that a military alliance taking over their Black Sea naval base is notthing to worry about.

Clown


1. you just changed the subject. First part was you claiming I support all wars the US has engaged in and even specifically the Vietnam war. Which I'm not.. Bit before my time there bud.
2. NATO expansion is up to every country. Sorry this hurts your RU feelers. And you cannot fathom free will. If they (RU) want more allies maybe they should stop being a shit partner???
3. Again you act like chopstickzz that RU has some base good intention. Pretty sure they would move to Poland/Bulgaria something without resistance here in the Ukraine.
Get rekt you boss leader is a POS. Hope it pay's well to gaslight everyone on propaganda.
The real R's in the building have left the US with nothing but MAGA idiots.

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Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 6 2023 02:36pm)
Bakhmut they fight like 5 months already?
If they had more ammo, they would have taken it much quicker.
Also Russia didnt manage to shutdown Ukraine energy system in the winter, although there was fear it could be very bad winter for Ukraine.
So yeah, they dont have a lot of ammo imo. Also Ukraine/NATO doesnt have a lot of ammo too.
So the war can possibly end this year.
In the battlefield there is a mess and chaos. In such a mess and chaos its possible to get close to somebody and hit him with melee weapon. You hide in a trench, somebody walks close, you attack him from behind. Its better to attack with a shovel than a bare hand combat.


Bakhmut was/is a fortress that has been reinforced by tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops and hundreds if not thousands of pieces of hardware such as tanks, artillery, machine gun nests, as well as trenches, etc. It's not a matter of if the Russians had more ammo it would of fell sooner but more about how much resource Ukraine had invested in holding it. If you are stupid enough to think if they had more small arms ammo instead of shovels then it would of been taken much faster then honestly I can't help you as basic tasks in your life must be a struggle with a take like that.

What does energy infrastructure have to do with shovels though, which is what the article is talking about?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Mar 6 2023 01:57pm
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Mar 6 2023 01:54pm
Footage circulating today of a Ukrainian soldier executed by firing squad, on camera. After apparently saying "Slava Ukraine".
Definitely not an isolated incident and there will have been atrocities committed by both armies; However this videos release poses several questions, certainly more questions than answers.




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Mar 6 2023 01:57pm
Quote (Bananii @ 7 Mar 2023 02:24)
objective question: whats the cause again? (you know it)

we turn around and around for years even we know the cause of it all, why?

you guys come to the point every discussion, but fail at going on with thoughts for a solution...

im asking you for putting the efford into finding solutions instead of turning sround again, for years now.. how it comes you guys just are afraid to talk about?

why continue support a system which causes all these problems?

why you dont just stop turn around and start discuss how to solve the problem?

please guys


This cannot be solved or stop without the United States saying it should stop.
Also just to add, the US cannot allow and will not allow it to stop now.

Russia cannot allow it to stop because as we know they face " security " reasons. Not all Russians but specifically the nationalists, political elite and Putin's insecurity in regards to NATO.
And if Russia stops now, they will lose and suffer a 100 times more than just their " sanctions " now.

Ukraine cannot stop the war because it is not exactly their call.

Chinese can't do anything even though they both partners and " friends " of both countries. And the United States will in some ways prevent the Chinese of being successful if they ever try to negotiate a peace talk between both countries.

The war will escalate until the next USA Election which is in a year or a year and a half and we will see.

My personal opinion.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 6 2023 01:59pm
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 6 2023 08:37pm)
1. you just changed the subject.


1) I didn't change the subjest, flick back through posts and see that I'm consistently pointing out NATO enlargement.

2) AGAIN I didn't say you said something, I'm pointing out you're a fucking hypocrite.

3) You get rekt ass clown as these days there are countries that don't put up with your crap. Deal with it, lol





Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 6 2023 08:07pm)
Crushing majority is siding with Nato, Ukraine. No one wanted war but Putin pushed for his Russian Empire by invading Ukraine illegally because of his love with USSR gulags etc... Case closed.

https://i.ibb.co/1rFhx1y/image.png


That was before the negotiated withdrawal which showed Soviet goodwill and a chance to forge new relations, the promise of no expansion East, and so on :lol: :rofl: :rofl:

Congratulations on destroying your own arguments LMAO

This post was edited by Djunior on Mar 6 2023 01:59pm
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