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Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 6 2023 03:51pm)
So you dont trust UK ministry of defense? Why?


so you think an army is fighting with shovels against machine guns?

are you retarded? If this was true, Ukraine would be killng around 1000-5000 soldiers per kia.

That would mean 100.000 ukr soldiers would be able to kill around 100.000.000-500.000.000 Russians.

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Quote (ownyaah @ 6 Mar 2023 15:59)
so you think an army is fighting with shovels against machine guns?

are you retarded? If this was true, Ukraine would be killng around 1000-5000 soldiers per kia.

That would mean 100.000 ukr soldiers would be able to kill around 100.000.000-500.000.000 Russians.

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Well, imagine you hide and wait to attack Ukrainian soldier when he gets near you. This is a kind of scenario where shovel could be good or at least decent.
Nobody says "Russian never have ammo", what we say is "sometimes Russian have no ammo and need to fight with shovels".
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Quote (ferdia @ 6 Mar 2023 17:04)
Unfortunately there has been a further escalation. I will provide various sources.

CNBC: China to increase defense spending by 7.2%
Financial Times: Defence expenditure to rise by 7.2% in 2023 compared with 5.7% growth in public expenditure
BBC: China says it will increase military spending by more than 7% this year, while warning of "escalating" threats.
Euronews: China to increase military spending by 7.2%

Now I know several users seem to think that this just "magically happened" and there are "abosolutely no causes, threats or justification" but more rationale people would say something like: It is clear that the US wants to send Russia back into the Stone Age, and after they are done with Russia, China is next. Therefore China would behove itself to increase its military spending. And now they are.


Hey Bro, I don't think we should look at what some mainstream media is saying about the Chinese increased military spending, they are probably getting wrong info most of the time or given fake info. But what I can be sure of, at least for now, due to my connections via my work.
They will increase their Nuclear stock pile from around 300 to around 1500 / 1800 warheads by 2030.

Just because you are decent economically , if you don't have those nukes you can get people to sit on the table. And even if you have nukes , you need to be a decent economical power house to sit on the table. Russia have nukes but extremely weak economy. And you need friends , part of the reason why for the next 3 to 5 years at least , the Chinese will go on a foreign diplomatic world tour.

And there is another catch with your friends, you need to help and pull your friends up to a decent living standard. This is a seemingly impossible task to perform.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 6 Mar 2023 17:32)


1.
Its alot more simple than that in my opinion.
China want to be a global power. That involves miltary spending.


Your narrative about China is next is not something I can agree with.

2.
Is there likely a proxy war between US and China? Probably.
Taiwan, Korea, South China sea, Myanmar potentially.


A direct conflict? Not happening in our lifetimes.


First Bold part , completely agree, but in what manner we do not know yet.

Second bold part.

It will only be Taiwan if there is even a proxy war. Philippines maybe. Japan will be thrown into the fray because of Taiwan
China doesn't have direct conflict with Korea, Myanmar or any South East Asia countries at the moment.
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Quote (Ironfister @ 6 Mar 2023 22:51)
So you dont trust UK ministry of defense? Why?


Trusting the UK Ministry of Defense or any Ministry of Defense during times of conflict and war is similar to trusting Kim Jong Un when he says he has 10,000 Nuclear Weapons to destroy USA.
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Mar 6 2023 09:57am
When I hear people from developed countries with very high living standards say things to the effect of
"We are enslaved by our government and the system"

I understand where they are coming from, but I equally want to deliver a pile driver off the top ropes.

Don't take for granted the things we have that billions of people didn't have in the past and don't even have today.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Mar 6 2023 03:48pm)
First Bold part , completely agree, but in what manner we do not know yet.

Second bold part.

It will only be Taiwan if there is even a proxy war. Philippines maybe. Japan will be thrown into the fray because of Taiwan
China doesn't have direct conflict with Korea, Myanmar or any South East Asia countries at the moment.


I thought about Korea as perhaps the original Korean war. China + NK vs US + SK
But as a proxy conflict.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 6 Mar 2023 16:48)
First Bold part , completely agree, but in what manner we do not know yet.

Second bold part.

It will only be Taiwan if there is even a proxy war. Philippines maybe. Japan will be thrown into the fray because of Taiwan
China doesn't have direct conflict with Korea, Myanmar or any South East Asia countries at the moment.


Why cant the Chinese simply leave Taiwan alone?
They clearly don't want to live under Chinese autocratic rule.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 6 Mar 2023 16:52)
Trusting the UK Ministry of Defense or any Ministry of Defense during times of conflict and war is similar to trusting Kim Jong Un when he says he has 10,000 Nuclear Weapons to destroy USA.


UK is not a participant of the war.
They don't have to lie.
In fact british citizens want truth from their government.
You know, its democratic and liberal country.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 6 Mar 2023 23:57)
When I hear people from developed countries with very high living standards say things to the effect of
"We are enslaved by our government and the system"

I understand where they are coming from, but I equally want to deliver a pile driver off the top ropes.

Don't take for granted the things we have that billions of people didn't have in the past and don't even have today.



I thought about Korea as perhaps the original Korean war. China + NK vs US + SK
But as a proxy conflict.


Oh ok I see where you are coming from, but that was during the Crazy Communist Versus USA conflict int the early 1950s.
Half of Korea wanted Marxist style of government and the other Half preferred the " West " version. That half that wanted the " West " Version was completely right because the US was considered the hero at that time which is absolutely true.
But things changed a lot of the past 60 years. The interference in Korean elections , the force sale of " poisoned " beef to South Korea, the " crimes " of American GI's towards South Korean citizens in South Korea have created Anti American sentiments in the past 30 odd years.

There is actually Anti American sentiments in Japan as well because of similar situations.

I can give you an explanation as to why. There are American troops in Europe and American troops in the East i.e South Korea and Japan. So why are there more Anti American sentiments in the East as compared to the West?
The Answer is rather simple actually.

Crimes committed in the West by American troops , the domestic and local laws will melt out the punishment by that country's law.
Those that are committed by American troops in the West , the sovereign country cannot punish the troops , the American military will just bring those offenders back to USA for tribunal, and most of the time they get very short sentences or they are being pardoned after 1 or 2 years in prison.

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Quote (Ironfister @ Mar 6 2023 04:38pm)
Well, imagine you hide and wait to attack Ukrainian soldier when he gets near you. This is a kind of scenario where shovel could be good or at least decent.
Nobody says "Russian never have ammo", what we say is "sometimes Russian have no ammo and need to fight with shovels".


No, russians dont have bullets, they also dont have tanks, artillery or planes. They are taking bakhmut by running with shovels.

They have a total of 88 billion deaths, and 3000 million tanks destroyed

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