Quote (ferdia @ Mar 6 2023 09:38am)
You did read the part where it said "BBC: China says it will increase military spending by more than 7% this year, while warning of "escalating" threats."
You did read the part where the US has repeatedly called China a "Threat" ?
If youi dont call the Russia / Ukrainian events a war between the West and Russia then I guess any...conflict... involving the US and China can be called a "special operation".
Some years ago, 2 men broke into a house, killed the occupant and after working a bit, dumped the parts into a local canal. The initial thought was that they were robbers and the guy was unfortunate to be at home.
It later came to light that the occupant was of the same nationality, and his girlfriend was that nationality too. On further investigation it was determined that the guy had been systematically torturing his girlfriend for months. she phoned home to try to get help but her parents were out. Her brother answered the phone. He said he would get their parents to call her. He did not. He phoned 2 men in ireland and they dealt with the matter.
there is such a thing as pre-meditated. The entire narrative of Russia is entirely to blame is competely ignoring the fact that the US IS ON RECORD of replacing the Ukrainian government via a coup. The calls are freely available to listen to on youtube and no doubt there is a book about it too.
The distinction I am making is between a direct conflict and a potential proxy war, which as I said is probable.
On one hand we are hearing MSM in the west is good for nothing, and then we are using the BBC as a basis for discussion.
Have your cake and eat it then
China has aspirations to become a superpower. The US is the current superpower. If China wants to compete it will need to modernize its military capability.
As a detterent, for force projection or for a potential conflict. Essentially, strengthening its hand.
Is it the fault of the US that China has these aspirations?
We are getting to the point now of blaming the US for every action taken by other global powers, hy their own free will.
Any action with global consequences taken by Russia or China for example, is directly affected by the US. Without a doubt. That is a reality of the US being a global superpower and other powers seeking to carve out their own space geopolitically.
There are diverging interests.
Saying that the US is primarily responsible for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, or for Chinas miltary spending is erroneous.
The primary responsibility is with Putin and Xi.
Putin could have chosen not to invade Ukraine.
Xi could have chosen another path for China than increased miltary spending.
The US replacing the Ukraine government is also a dishonest representation of events.
Were Amrrican intelligence services operating in
Ukraine pre 2014. Its safe to assume, yes.
Are we expected to believe Russian operatives were also not operating in Ukraine?
Of course they were.
It was under Kremlin direction that protestors were murdered and suppressed. You ought to know that.
To be clear I didn't say Russia is solely to blame, I said they are primarily to blame. So don't misappropriated what I am saying.
What I'm countering is this idea the US is solely to blame for all of these events. Which to my understanding is what your position is implying.