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Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 5 2023 02:56pm)

That is one consequence of breaking agreements, yes. Breaking of the Iran agreement lead to destabilization, and simply pushed Iran into the arms of China. It also made it harder for other countries to deal with the US.

I always argue, the main reason North Korea is so eager about nuclear weapons is because of what the US did in Iraq, Libya, Syria etc People really underestimate political blowback

Quote (ownyaah @ 5 Mar 2023 14:56)

Perhaps kill a million or two with epicanthic fold. That is also an achievement that can´t be disregarded.

Quote (IceMage @ 5 Mar 2023 21:32)

We didn't fool them, because the Russians then, or now, weren't the complete ignoramuses your narrative paints them as. Whatever was discussed behind closed doors, they had to know any commitment to not expand NATO eastward at that time was subject to commitments written on paper and the next administration's assessment of whether that commitment should be held. The Obama administration signed a nuclear deal with Iran, and Trump scrapped it. Do you think Iran was unaware that was a possbility? Are you arguing that the Russians are so inferior intellectually as to not understand the same sort of thing could've happened? Commitments between countries are made on paper. The words from a Secretary of State don't mean much if the administration he represents doesn't commit it to paper.

Ukraine and Georgia weren't even on the road to joining NATO when Russia invaded their countries. That's just another bullshit Russian talking point, like the idea that the US orchestrated the uprising in Ukraine.

This is consistent with your posts so far though. You look at Eastern European countries that have been historically subjegated by Russia as beholden to the West. You think they don't actually want to join the West, they are pressured. And when the Ukranians overthrow their Russian-aligned leader, you attribute it to the West.

It's just detached from reality. Eastern European countries(including Ukraine) want to align more closely with the West and less closely with Russia because of obvious reasons, like their desire for sovereignty, freedom, economic opportunity, etc. Russia is a backwards country surviving from their oil and nuclear weapons. They are a relic of a world that we are moving past, and Ukrainians understand that.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 5 Mar 2023 16:23)

I don't know why are some of you always talking about the West West West. A lot of people in the world is not exactly pissed off with the West. They are just pissed off at the United States Government and at times either the Republican Led US Government or the Democratic US Led government. They are that specific.
Perhaps it is some form of arrogance that at the moment , although the United States is so called " leading " the West that the West is being lumped into it reluctantly.

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Alot of more of people are pissed of by Russia, Chinese, Iranian, North Korean regimes btw, just saying

Well they aren't afraid to say, without getting a free fly from the window or simply "disapearing" in dedicated camps.

Quote (ferdia @ 5 Mar 2023 17:17)

technically this is not true, after all there is just over 1Billion in the West and close to 8Billion on the planet. In the Western world your statement is definitely true.

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I would correct you immediately asking to make polls in the respective countries.

In hope to not get jailed or tortured.

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Alot of more of people are pissed of by Russia, Chinese, Iranian, North Korean regimes btw, just saying

Well they aren't afraid to say, without getting a free fly from the window or simply "disapearing" in dedicated camps.

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Alot more people in the Western world are pissed of by Russia, Chinese, Iranian, North Korean regimes btw, just saying

Well they aren't afraid to say, without getting a free fly from the window or simply "disapearing" in dedicated camps.

Quote (ferdia @ 5 Mar 2023 17:30)

there are more people living in china then are living in the entire western world. russia has another 140M people. In all the countries you have mentioned there is not much in the way of free speach. There is little in the way of protest and yes people "dissapear" if they show dissent. Do you not understand what that means ?
here let me help:
fixed.
and yes, its a slow day.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 5 2023 04:44pm)

You can try to twist it in the usual "but US bad" narrative as much as you want: Russia, Chinese, Iranian, North Korean regimes are horrible and everyone know it.

West FREE WORLD people can openly criticize their own democracies. Others will have some problems... Capiche ?