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Mar 4 2023 12:56pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 4 2023 10:26am)
Are we really at the point in suggesting the US is going to use a false flag to trigger a war with China? You guys are on a vendetta with this anti-west narrative, Joe Biden is the guy that can't string two sentences together, remember?

*Looking at America, the country that has lied to start dozens if not hundreds of wars, coups and sanctions regimes* "Wow, can't believe you'd suggest America is capable of that, talk about the loony left!"
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Mar 4 2023 01:01pm
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Just to be fair, from my point of view. It wouldn't surprise anyone that US is capable of using a false flag to trigger war with China. But they won't engage directly with China similar to the current war.
Iraq was a false flag and not to mentioned some of the Central American countries that have fallen into similar fate.

As I said before, I don't believe majority of us are Anti West. More like Anti American government. I hope you separate or at least make the effort to point out the difference. I don't think we are Anti EU etc etc etc or even the citizens or inhabitants. It is merely Anti American Govt.
And at different point of time in History some might even be Anti Democratic or Anti Republican led government .

As for Lavrov , his comments clearly shows he haven't been taking his meds lately. And he deserved laughter from everyone.
He could have phrase it in a different manner. But it is what it is.
Similar to how a lot of people laughed at at Colin Powell when he held up a vial of washing powder in the United Nations saying that the invasion of Iraq is justified.


Fair points.

I do think the line can be blurred with the rhetoric used in this thread; quite often the framework for the presented narrative is anti "west" and not just anti Us government.

Its as if anything projected from "the west" is doomed to be a bad thing; While much of the foreign policy out of the US and others deserves massive scrutiny. It is as though any "net gains" of western values are trashed in the aforementioned narrative.
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Mar 4 2023 01:02pm
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*Looking at America, the country that has lied to start dozens if not hundreds of wars, coups and sanctions regimes* "Wow, can't believe you'd suggest America is capable of that, talk about the loony left!"


Absolutely. You do realize how exposed both China and the US are to each other?

I mean obviously YOU don't realize that, but that is the state of affairs.
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Mar 4 2023 01:08pm
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Absolutely. You do realize how exposed both China and the US are to each other?

I mean obviously YOU don't realize that, but that is the state of affairs.

The US has already lied about China multiple times while escalating a sanctions regime against them. The two countries are already at war.
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Mar 4 2023 01:09pm
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The US has already lied about China multiple times while escalating a sanctions regime against them. The two countries are already at war.


Exactly. A direct conflict isn't happening. Not in our lifetimes.
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Mar 4 2023 01:11pm
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Exactly. A direct conflict isn't happening. Not in our lifetimes.

I think it's likely, and the most likely time is now, not later. The US believes it has a rapidly closing window in which China is still able to lose a war with America, and it will be gone by 2025, maybe 2030.
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Mar 4 2023 01:14pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 5 Mar 2023 03:01)
Fair points.

I do think the line can be blurred with the rhetoric used in this thread; quite often the framework for the presented narrative is anti "west" and not just anti Us government.

Its as if anything projected from "the west" is doomed to be a bad thing; While much of the foreign policy out of the US and others deserves massive scrutiny. It is as though any "net gains" of western values are trashed in the aforementioned narrative.


The West and even the US and same could be said of Middle East and China and Japan etc etc have given a lot vice versa to the world for the past hundreds of years or so, for some even longer than that.
But that being said different culture and different values, it is difficult to mash everything into one melting pot, particularly for countries which are extremely diverse with a lot of inhabitants.

The anti west framework is because in my opinion that a lot of people view the West as being led by the United States which I believe is untrue. Scotish ,English, French , German, Italian values are different from what the United States are advocating.
There might be similarities in political ideologue to a certain point. But they are very different.

I think once we can separate and pin point the differences, perhaps the Anti West Narrative will not be Anti West Narrative anymore.
I mean who the wants to be Anti Aussies or Anti Kiwis or Anti Irish etc etc .at the moment.
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Mar 4 2023 01:15pm
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I think it's likely, and the most likely time is now, not later. The US believes it has a rapidly closing window in which China is still able to lose a war with America, and it will be gone by 2025, maybe 2030.


What factors lead you to believe it is rapidly closing?
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Mar 4 2023 01:19pm
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 4 2023 11:15am)
What factors lead you to believe it is rapidly closing?

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1140.html
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