you said this: So Imho China will not deliver, won't take risk to smuggle

and this: So: Imho CCP will not give weapons to Russia, they love money too much, this is where their moral, their soul, is going to.

which suggests china would not do it. but what i was saying was what would the US do after producing a smoking gun to suggest china did in fact do it. i.e. too late now, you did it we will do ABC now. i.e. the USA would lie to the world but what would they do next.

anyway, carry on.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 4 2023 11:20am

I believe earnestly that the United States is itching to do what I mentioned or something similar.
One might think that is warmongering from the United States part which there is some truth to it, but that is just a very insignificant reason.

But I think the more jarring issue out of it is this. They want to do a litmus test and they want it badly. They want to know at the end of the day who is willing to be on their side. For Russia they already found out who will fervently or at least unreluctantly follow their cue.

But what if it is China. who will be on our side.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on Mar 4 2023 11:31am

I answered to that, look:


https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=641167091

later i added:


https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119&p=641170516

And like i said: I doubt CCP will sell anyway, they love money too much, and a weakened Russia is also an opportunity for them... Until Russian government change and join the West, Which can happen pretty quickly (ie: less than 7 years after WW2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community - Let's hope for the Russian people !)

/e now i am not against some actions against CCP, without involving Ukraine, but just because it's an horrible regime.

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Mar 4 2023 11:34am

i agree. it does not look like most of Africa, India, Russia or China would. and well, thats already alot of people.

would you believe the USA if they said China sold weapons to Russia?



This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 4 2023 11:32am

Once the United States and part of the five eyes or some in the EU get the result of this litmus test. They will regroup and re strategize their foreign policy and how they approach China, India ,Russia and whatever country.
They are trying to do this in a very calculated manner, because a in Nuclear war everyone loses.

If such thing happen US will not even need to say it; Ukrainians will see it on the fields, will have proofs everywhere... Yet I think you are just bitching on US while they are just ringing the bells.

I would say: wait and see instead of building a conspiracy theory copium and filling the topic with that shit.

Yea I dont mind waiting and see what happens over the next 24 months. my final comment on the matter: Purerly without emotion or allignment, if the US wants to fund Ukraine forever, its difficult to see what the problem is if China funds Russia forever. but to clear, the question was, what would the USA do next, it was not whether China arms Russia or not, and it did not dwell on the morality of the matter. There is not alot of morals going around when it comes to war.

Are we really at the point in suggesting the US is going to use a false flag to trigger a war with China? You guys are on a vendetta with this anti-west narrative, Joe Biden is the guy that can't string two sentences together, remember?

Back to reality and Lavrov managed to say that an attack was launched on Russia, rather than Russia invaded Ukraine; provoking laughter from those not in the Kremlins lexicon of dogshit reality.

https://news.sky.com/story/russian-diplomat-sergei-lavrov-provokes-laughter-with-claim-his-country-is-victim-in-ukraine-war-12825048

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Mar 4 2023 12:26pm

Some here are talking about politics, others are discussing a drama show about politics

Just to be fair, from my point of view. It wouldn't surprise anyone that US is capable of using a false flag to trigger war with China. But they won't engage directly with China similar to the current war.
Iraq was a false flag and not to mentioned some of the Central American countries that have fallen into similar fate.

As I said before, I don't believe majority of us are Anti West. More like Anti American government. I hope you separate or at least make the effort to point out the difference. I don't think we are Anti EU etc etc etc or even the citizens or inhabitants. It is merely Anti American Govt.
And at different point of time in History some might even be Anti Democratic or Anti Republican led government .

As for Lavrov , his comments clearly shows he haven't been taking his meds lately. And he deserved laughter from everyone.
He could have phrase it in a different manner. But it is what it is.
Similar to how a lot of people laughed at at Colin Powell when he held up a vial of washing powder in the United Nations saying that the invasion of Iraq is justified.