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Mar 4 2023 10:26am
Quote (ferdia @ 5 Mar 2023 00:21)
Just as a matter of interest, if the US, or a western government, accuses China of providing arms to Russia, say a smoking gun, what action should be taken, in your opinion, against China ? just throwing this out there.


Even if they have proof or fake proof , first thing first they will go the sanction route. You can't take them head on unlike Iraq, furthermore they haven't taken any real action towards i.e Taiwan at the moment like how Russia have taken action on Ukraine.
But things can be gradual.
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Mar 4 2023 10:28am
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Just as a matter of interest, if the US, or a western government, accuses China of providing arms to Russia, say a smoking gun, what action should be taken, in your opinion, against China ? just throwing this out there.


Sanctions (light ones, just to cut the crap while keeping the essential imports) and boycott communication campaigns all around the whole free world ("dont buy chinese products" etc)
Could cost CCP ghouls alot more than giving weapons to Russia... So Imho China will not deliver, won't take risk to smuggle. CIA is paying very high price for captured chinese weapons.
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Sanctions (light ones, just to cut the crap while keeping the essential imports) and boycott communication campaigns all around the whole free world ("dont buy chinese products" etc)
Could cost CCP ghouls alot more than giving weapons to Russia... So Imho China will not deliver, won't take risk to smuggle. CIA is paying very high price for captured chinese weapons.


Juist to be clear, my post was meant to say: if the US, or a western government, accuses China of already providing arms to Russia, say a smoking gun, what action should be taken, in your opinion, against China ? what is the least that should be done and what is the most that should be done.

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Quote (ferdia @ 5 Mar 2023 00:38)
Juist to be clear, my post was meant to say: if the US, or a western government, accuses China of already providing arms to Russia, say a smoking gun, what action should be taken, in your opinion, against China ? what is the least that should be done and what is the most that should be done.


Tongue in cheek here.

The US will send more planes and warship in the South China Sea and straits of Taiwan. And hoping that the Chinese will knock one of their planes or pilots out. And trigger a proxy war straightaway and get the Japanese and Taiwanese to act as the US cannon folder.
And see how far they can go. And get all the G7 and G20 allies to sanction China and pressure them to kick the Chinese out of world organizations.

:lol:
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Tongue in cheek here.

The US will send more planes and warship in the South China Sea and straits of Taiwan. And hoping that the Chinese will knock one of their planes or pilots out. And trigger a proxy war straightaway and get the Japanese and Taiwanese to act as the US cannon folder.
And see how far they can go. And get all the G7 and G20 allies to sanction China and pressure them to kick the Chinese out of world organizations.

:lol:


okok i was fishing for that. lets see what happens over the next 24 months.
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Mar 4 2023 10:46am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 4 2023 05:13pm)
We've been over this point countless times: it was not the United States which begged the Eastern European countries to join NATO, it were these Eastern Europeans who were chomping at the bit to join NATO at the first opportunity because that's the only true protection against Russian revanchism. The Eastern Europeans always knew that the day would come when Russia is reinvigorated and is coming to restore its former empire. They decided, out of their own volition, that they would rather be America's bitch than ever having to live under Russian rule again.

Make of that what you will.


Dude, lol

The US (and EU btw) went as far as to stage a coup d'état --> Euromaidan to overthrow the elected president in Ukraine because he didn't sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement.

The US and EU are in to this up to their eyeballs, funding / training / equipping the Ukrainian army since 2014, using the Minsk agreements to buy Ukraine time, and so on.

You're completely dishonest at this point just like the majority of people that post here.

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Mar 4 2023 10:52am
Quote (ferdia @ 5 Mar 2023 00:45)
okok i was fishing for that. lets see what happens over the next 24 months.


You know a very funny and interesting thing that the Chinese can do ? Of course they are not going to do it but there is a chance. :lol:

Allow Taiwan " independence " and cut off their FTA and just trade very sparingly with the Taiwanese and give the Taiwanese very stringent visa conditions either for business or visitation and just informed them, they can trade more with the West or USA since they view the China Chinese as inferior.

:lol:

I wonder what will happen . ^_^
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Mar 4 2023 10:54am
Quote (ferdia @ 4 Mar 2023 17:38)
Juist to be clear, my post was meant to say: if the US, or a western government, accuses China of already providing arms to Russia, say a smoking gun, what action should be taken, in your opinion, against China ? what is the least that should be done and what is the most that should be done.


I answered already, and if you want some numbers i think US, EU, and rest of the free world can easily shut down 1/3 of Chinese Exports wiithout major issues, relatively quickly. After that there would have some leverage effect on the long run that could be much more catastrophic:
India or countries like Brasil would get the investments.
So: Imho CCP will not give weapons to Russia, they love money too much, this is where their moral, their soul, is going to.
They will more likely acting as friendly as they can (horrible regimes are supporting each others, it's beautiful...) while slowly eating russian economy.

Btw Intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov said he doesn’t think "Beijing" would ultimately directly assist Moscow with military aid.
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 4 2023 04:54pm)
I answered already, and if you want some numbers i think US, EU, and rest of the free world can easily shut down 1/3 of Chinese Exports wiithout major issues, relatively quickly. After that there would have some leverage effect on the long run that could be much more catastrophic:
India or countries like Brasil would get the investments.
So: Imho CCP will not give weapons to Russia, they love money too much, this is where their moral, their soul, is going to.
They will more likely acting as friendly as they can (horrible regimes are supporting each others, it's beautiful...) while slowly eating russian economy.

Btw Intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov said he doesn’t think "Beijing" would ultimately directly assist Moscow with military aid.


your missing the whole point. the united states will say china did it, regardless of whether china actually did or does it or not. like iraq and wmd's.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 4 2023 11:06am
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Quote (ferdia @ 4 Mar 2023 18:06)
your missing the whole point. the united states will say china did it, regardless of whether china actually did or does it or not. like iraq and wmd's.


This is what you posted:

Quote (ferdia @ 4 Mar 2023 17:21)
Just as a matter of interest, if the US, or a western government, accuses China of providing arms to Russia, say a smoking gun, what action should be taken, in your opinion, against China ? just throwing this out there.


So no, I am not missing anything, I tried to be civil and to give my opinion.
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