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May 4 2020 09:28pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 4 2020 09:57pm)
Yeah, I stopped because he asked for evidence that it's not possible for Biden to give. He's responded that the Delaware records don't contain personnel files, and why the hell would they? They're at a university, they're not at an HR department. Meanwhile he asked the relevant office to release the relevant records, and there's not much else he can do to "provide evidence".


Its not always possible to provide exonerating evidence. Tends to happen when one is guilty, but also when there simply is no feasible evidence.
In a court of law the burden would be against the accuser, in a court of public opinion the burden is on Joe and he's failing to deliver.
If there were holes in Tara Reade's story, he'd have to find them. If she was lying, there probably would be serious flaws that go beyond inconsistencies, there could be loose strands to pull it apart, accomplices to turn, timelines to debunk.
When Kavanaugh was accused, we could throw all the he-said-she-said out the window and instead focus on the substance of the allegations and whether they held up to logical scrutiny, whether inconsistencies could be explained by the passage of time or cultural pressures, or were inexplicable and irreconcilable plot holes. Like her leaving a party without her best friends noticing and teleporting across town inexplicably and not remember anything other than the fact she had exactly 1 drink. Kavanaugh brought his calendar and the senate made a farce by trying to delve into the minutia for little more than its embarrassment factor, but the meat of the story focused on what could be proven, what pieces of the puzzle could be put into place and what gaps were left and what obstacles couldn't be explained away.

So again I ask where the beef is.

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Honestly, I don't really care about the veracity of these claims. There's nothing thats going to come out after 27 years that will definitively prove it happened. I'm most interested in how Biden handles the accusation, and he has handled it better than I've seen other people in similar circumstances handle it. Far better than Trump or Kavanaugh.


Anyone can hire a PR firm and read a script. Put Joe on camera and off staged turf like Mika did and he implodes


/e anyway, as far as evidentiary standards go, judge Biden on his own;
https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1257415208500412424

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"A Supreme Court hearing is not a trial. It's a job interview. It's a job interview. And, you don't have to prove a reasonable doubt anything as to why you shouldn't put so and so on the court."


This post was edited by Goomshill on May 4 2020 09:34pm
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May 4 2020 10:02pm
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Or here's a wild idea: The facts and evidence don't go in Joe's favor. Even you acknowledge that. It looks bad for him, and we keep getting piled on more corroboration.
Joe flaps his mouth a lot and says a bunch of stuff and tries to deflect and whataboutism and distract, but none of it actually changes the facts and evidence. You're satisfied by the scripted, focus group approved messaging even if nothing said actually changes the dynamics of the story. As long as Joe releases an "appropriate statement", who cares if the substance hasn't changed, if the beef is still in the burger.

Either the story is true, or its false. Any framing, spin, contextualization, narrative, messaging, tone- it should all be chucked in the dumpster where it belongs. What I want from Joe to exonerate himself is something that *exonerates himself*.


Lol what?
Apply this standard to the president you shill for every day.
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May 4 2020 10:20pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 4 May 2020 23:28)
Anyone can hire a PR firm and read a script. Put Joe on camera and off staged turf like Mika did and he implodes


/e anyway, as far as evidentiary standards go, judge Biden on his own;
https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1257415208500412424

yeah Mika ripped him to shreds lol he wasn’t expecting that
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May 4 2020 10:36pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 4 2020 08:28pm)
Its not always possible to provide exonerating evidence. Tends to happen when one is guilty, but also when there simply is no feasible evidence.
In a court of law the burden would be against the accuser, in a court of public opinion the burden is on Joe and he's failing to deliver.
If there were holes in Tara Reade's story, he'd have to find them. If she was lying, there probably would be serious flaws that go beyond inconsistencies, there could be loose strands to pull it apart, accomplices to turn, timelines to debunk.
When Kavanaugh was accused, we could throw all the he-said-she-said out the window and instead focus on the substance of the allegations and whether they held up to logical scrutiny, whether inconsistencies could be explained by the passage of time or cultural pressures, or were inexplicable and irreconcilable plot holes. Like her leaving a party without her best friends noticing and teleporting across town inexplicably and not remember anything other than the fact she had exactly 1 drink. Kavanaugh brought his calendar and the senate made a farce by trying to delve into the minutia for little more than its embarrassment factor, but the meat of the story focused on what could be proven, what pieces of the puzzle could be put into place and what gaps were left and what obstacles couldn't be explained away.

So again I ask where the beef is.



Anyone can hire a PR firm and read a script. Put Joe on camera and off staged turf like Mika did and he implodes


/e anyway, as far as evidentiary standards go, judge Biden on his own;
https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1257415208500412424


Is he failing to deliver though? A lot of Democrats are rallying around him...
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May 4 2020 10:41pm
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Is he failing to deliver though? A lot of Democrats are rallying around him...


I can't wait to see the two digit poll drop after the first debate. Its gunna look like this.

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May 4 2020 10:44pm
Quote (thundercock @ May 4 2020 11:36pm)
Is he failing to deliver though? A lot of Democrats are rallying around him...


failing to deliver any new facts or evidence

PR and political impact is a different lens than piecing together what we know and don't know about the evidence. Biden started this scandal with a seeming immunity simply due to all MSM refusing to print stories about it at all, all he would have had to do to win the PR war was keep his mouth shut and hope no new evidence came out against him and kill it by silence. But then more evidence came out and changed the game. There's still plenty of opportunity for Biden to affect how it shakes out even if he can't dispute any of the facts or bring any evidence of his own. FDR beat a false allegation using Fala, Nixon beat a true allegation by using Checkers, and Bill Clinton had his own slick willy. Speaking based on precedent, the lasting narrative and impactful moments are those delivered by politicians on camera, and what the focus groups and PR scripts came up with is never remembered fondly if at all.

and eh, put Biden in front of a camera with some women to discuss this allegation and there's a non-zero chance he gropes them
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May 4 2020 11:15pm
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failing to deliver any new facts or evidence

PR and political impact is a different lens than piecing together what we know and don't know about the evidence. Biden started this scandal with a seeming immunity simply due to all MSM refusing to print stories about it at all, all he would have had to do to win the PR war was keep his mouth shut and hope no new evidence came out against him and kill it by silence. But then more evidence came out and changed the game. There's still plenty of opportunity for Biden to affect how it shakes out even if he can't dispute any of the facts or bring any evidence of his own. FDR beat a false allegation using Fala, Nixon beat a true allegation by using Checkers, and Bill Clinton had his own slick willy. Speaking based on precedent, the lasting narrative and impactful moments are those delivered by politicians on camera, and what the focus groups and PR scripts came up with is never remembered fondly if at all.

and eh, put Biden in front of a camera with some women to discuss this allegation and there's a non-zero chance he gropes them


It's irresponsible to print stories that aren't grounded in truth. I know that the NY Times did a daily episode on the 13th of April so they likely started investigating within a couple days of the initial allegation. I think the unfortunate thing for your team is that you're competing against COVID and a president who is a media whore. This would be a MUCH bigger story in a vacuum and had this been announced before South Carolina, Biden wouldn't be the nominee.
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May 5 2020 12:06am
I don't consider the "why did the accuser wait" to be a strong argument. However, one thing I do find to be strong is her praising Biden's stance on issues exactly like this. Hard to imagine a sexual assault victim praising her assaulter on that kind of thing. Similarly, I don't see her mother calling in 20 odd years ago to be a particularly strong point in her favor since it doesn't exactly provide evidence to what happened, and the "respect for the senator" line makes it seem like it was more of a misunderstanding than a real assault.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 5 2020 12:07am
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Quote (thundercock @ May 4 2020 04:34pm)
I think the most telling thing about conservatives is that they don't even CARE about the woman. All they care about is how their side was treated unfairly. Apparently, appearing hypocritical to neanderthals is worse than sexual assault/rape.


And you guys cared about Dr. Ford LOL??

Are we supposed to go on camera and fake cry like some liberals do for attention?

As soon as that was over she was never heard from again by any Liberal.

This post was edited by fuzzy159 on May 5 2020 06:32am
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And you guys cared about Dr. Ford LOL??

Are we supposed to go on camera and fake cry like some liberals do for attention?

As soon as that was over she was never heard from again by any Liberal.


so.. you realize you are doing the EXACT same thing from the other perspective right?

Innocent Republicans---> Leave trump and Kavanaugh alone. Claims are fake and not proven.
Biden---> evidence makes him look bad please EVERYONE crucify him until proven guilty.
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