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The "ratio" is determined by what media you consume. How many people have died due to violence by the organized left? How many people have died due to the organized right? How many people have died due to an unorganized mob? How many people have been injured due to these things? How much vandalism has there been? There's an ACTUAL number but a lot of people wouldn't trust that due to whatever narrative they believe in. At the end of the day, we're all influenced by our surroundings/communities. Anecdotes and false narratives are significantly more powerful than data. Humans are emotional creatures.

30-40 since the peaceful protests started. 60-100 million in the 20th century.
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30-40 since the peaceful protests started. 60-100 million in the 20th century.


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The "ratio" is determined by what media you consume. How many people have died due to violence by the organized left? How many people have died due to the organized right? How many people have died due to an unorganized mob? How many people have been injured due to these things? How much vandalism has there been? There's an ACTUAL number but a lot of people wouldn't trust that due to whatever narrative they believe in. At the end of the day, we're all influenced by our surroundings/communities. Anecdotes and false narratives are significantly more powerful than data. Humans are emotional creatures.


It doesn't matter what media you consume to get to this rough estimate, I don't watch any right media my observation comes from live twitter feeds, YouTube, etc.

Dude there are thousands of videos of far left rioting/attacking cops, burning & smashing buildings, etc, can you match that with the same amount coming from the proud boys or whoever else?

This is the internet age, if something is happening it's on YouTube. Why aren't all of these far right frenzies popping up at the same rate as far left? Maybe you have some secret source somewhere where we can see proud boys burning buildings and throwing Molotovs?

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It doesn't matter what media you consume to get to this rough estimate, I don't watch any right media my observation comes from live twitter feeds, YouTube, etc.

Dude there are thousands of videos of far left rioting/attacking cops, burning & smashing buildings, etc, can you match that with the same amount coming from the proud boys or whoever else?

This is the internet age, if something is happening it's on YouTube. Why aren't all of these far right frenzies popping up at the same rate as far left? Maybe you have some secret source somewhere where we can see proud boys burning buildings and throwing Molotovs?


Bullshit. Do you honestly think the between Ghot and inkanddagger that there's any shared perception of reality? Give me a break.

The number of videos isn't necessarily indicative of anything. You could have 100 videos of the same event from different vantage points. It's still the same event. I do not deny that the left are damaging more buildings/statues but who do you think is doing more of the killing (justified or unjustified?)
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Bullshit. Do you honestly think the between Ghot and inkanddagger that there's any shared perception of reality? Give me a break.

The number of videos isn't necessarily indicative of anything. You could have 100 videos of the same event from different vantage points. It's still the same event. I do not deny that the left are damaging more buildings/statues but who do you think is doing more of the killing (justified or unjustified?)


Yes it is, in this age it is. Video is just unstructured data. If you have 100,000 data points supporting x and you see 500 supporting y. Then guess what? A logical conclusion is that x is more prevalent than y.

I literally have never seen a video of some group like proud boys or who ever throw Molotov's, fight cops, destroy buildings, yet the internet is littered with Antifa doing this. Like I said maybe you have some hidden stash of thousands of video of proud boys doing the above, who knows.
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Quote (thundercock @ Oct 1 2020 03:21pm)
Bullshit. Do you honestly think the between Ghot and inkanddagger that there's any shared perception of reality? Give me a break.

The number of videos isn't necessarily indicative of anything. You could have 100 videos of the same event from different vantage points. It's still the same event. I do not deny that the left are damaging more buildings/statues but who do you think is doing more of the killing (justified or unjustified?)


https://www.npr.org/2020/02/10/804616715/fbi-announces-that-racist-violence-is-now-equal-priority-to-foreign-terrorism
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Yes it is, in this age it is. Video is just unstructured data. If you have 100,000 data points supporting x and you see 500 supporting y. Then guess what? A logical conclusion is that x is more prevalent than y.

I literally have never seen a video of some group like proud boys or who ever throw Molotov's, fight cops, destroy buildings, yet the internet is littered with Antifa doing this. Like I said maybe you have some hidden stash of thousands of video of proud boys doing the above, who knows.


Reread what I said. The number of 9/11 videos out there aren't indicative of how many 9/11s there were. That should be very obvious.

In addition, labeling something as "Proud Boys violence" or "Antifa violence" is meaningless because ANYONE can do it. If you google "white supremacy violence Kenosha" you get videos of Kyle Rittenhouse. Do you think that's an accurate assessment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqoa_qLW2v4

C'mon, don't be this stupid.
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Quote (thundercock @ Oct 1 2020 06:43pm)
Reread what I said. The number of 9/11 videos out there aren't indicative of how many 9/11s there were. That should be very obvious.

In addition, labeling something as "Proud Boys violence" or "Antifa violence" is meaningless because ANYONE can do it. If you google "white supremacy violence Kenosha" you get videos of Kyle Rittenhouse. Do you think that's an accurate assessment?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqoa_qLW2v4

C'mon, don't be this stupid.


This is weakly deflecting from overwhelming definitive evidence of grossly disproportionate violence committed by antifa.

If there were 10,000 videos of 100 different instances of people flying planes into buildings it is indicative of more than 1 instance of someone flying a plane into a building.
The same goes for antifa violence.

This isn't a matter of false labels or duplicate videos.
Its a matter of facts and whether or not you are informed.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Oct 1 2020 04:48pm
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 1 2020 03:47pm)
This is weakly deflecting from overwhelming definitive evidence of grossly disproportionate violence committed by antifa.

If there were 10,000 videos of 100 different instances of people flying planes into buildings it is indicative of more than 1 instance of someone flying a plane into a building.
The same goes for antifa violence.

This isn't a matter of false labels or duplicate videos.
Its a matter of facts and whether or not you are informed.


You and I agree on this. It's the number of events that matter. However, EXPOSURE to said events warps perception which is why I said inkanddagger and Ghot live in completely different "realities."
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