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Quote (Meanwhile @ Mar 2 2023 08:59pm)
They deliberately targetted civilians btw:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

Seems that several pard posters have different theories, well... I wish good luck to these hacks.


Deliberately targeting civilians, and only killing 8000 in a year, doesn´t add up.

Don´t you get tired of being a lying subhuman?
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 2 2023 12:56pm)
An age of total war. That's a a bit of a stretch is it not? Or am I misinterpreting what you mean?


I mean that modern warfare can only be conducted by leveraging a large part of a state's civilian resources. There is no clear distinction between civilian and military targets. The civilian economy provides the state with the foundation and resources with which to wage war.
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Quote (ownyaah @ Mar 2 2023 06:03pm)
Deliberately targeting civilians, and only killing 8000 in a year, doesn´t add up.

Don´t you get tired of being a lying subhuman?


"only" :wallbash:

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 2 2023 06:05pm)
I mean that modern warfare can only be conducted by leveraging a large part of a state's civilian resources. There is no clear distinction between civilian and military targets. The civilian economy provides the state with the foundation and resources with which to wage war.


Well that is reasonable and sound logic; Age of total war kind of sounds like a RTS title.



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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 2 2023 09:06pm)
"only" :wallbash:


How many violent civilan deaths are attributed to the US during the iraqi war?


8000 civilian deaths, is literally nothing. Especially considering Ukraine size.

If russians were deliberately killing civlians, we should have at least 100-200k+ killed so far.

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How many violent civilan deaths are attributed to the US during the iraqi war?


8000 civilian deaths, is literally nothing. Especially considering Ukraine size.


Ok Henry Kissinger. 8000 dead civilians is literally nothing, okay.

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How many violent civilan deaths are attributed to the US during the iraqi war?


8000 civilian deaths, is literally nothing. Especially considering Ukraine size.

If russians were deliberately killing civlians, we should have at least 100-200k+ killed so far.


You can still deliberately target civilians but not kill 100k.

What kind of logic is that?
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 2 2023 01:53pm)
At risk of being labelled a radicalistic, I'd say it is probably evidenced by the large volume of strikes that have killed civilians? Whether it is intentional or not, there is collateral damage.
Also what you are asking is anecdotal because we will never know for certain what they were targeting for every individual strike; What is abhorrent here is the outcome. Dead civilians.


How many civilians need to die for it to be evidence of direct targetting, in your opinion? Or is it a percentage based thing?

Like I said, I realize many civilians have died, I just don't get where the jump to " they are intentionally targetting civilians" is happening. I'm sure there have been horrible war crimes on both sides, I'm sure commands to attack certain areas have caused civilian casualties, but I haven't seen anything that makes me believe it is a strategic goal to kill civilians.

Would you accept Ukraine has an incentive to lie about those things as well? They are reliant on international support, that is something that is sure to garner it IMO
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Quote (ownyaah @ 2 Mar 2023 19:03)
Deliberately targeting civilians, and only killing 8000 in a year, doesn´t add up.

Don´t you get tired of being a lying subhuman?


maybe look up what "deliberately" means? it's not the same as "exclusively". anyway, nice attempt at downplaying the death of 8,000 innocent lives - totally not something a "subhuman" would do...
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 2 2023 09:08pm)
Ok Henry Kissinger. 8000 dead civilians is literally nothing, okay.


Henry kissinger was a realist, and i respect that. I take that as a compliment.

Quote (fender @ Mar 2 2023 09:10pm)
maybe look up what "deliberately" means? it's not the same as "exclusively". anyway, nice attempt at downplaying the death of 8,000 innocent lives - totally not something a "subhuman" would do...


There has never been deliberate killing of civilians by Russian military command. It is factual, you have to be braindamaged to think otherwise.

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You can still deliberately target civilians but not kill 100k.

What kind of logic is that?


can you explain how it would be possible to conduct war, in a pre-war population of 50million, without causing xk amounts of civilian deaths per year?

The answer is --> no war at all.

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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Mar 2 2023 12:53pm)
At risk of being labelled a radicalistic, I'd say it is probably evidenced by the large volume of strikes that have killed civilians? Whether it is intentional or not, there is collateral damage.
Also what you are asking is anecdotal because we will never know for certain what they were targeting for every individual strike; What is abhorrent here is the outcome. Dead civilians.


There’s a reason why we have terms such as collateral
damage. When an US air strike kills some goat farmers in Afghanistan we don’t dishonestly label it as “targeting civilians” instead we have an honest assessment that wars are not clean and mistakes happen very often.

But once again in rules for thee and not for me fashion we chose to frame an apartment getting hit in Ukraine by dumb bombs in worst possible framing as “targeting civilians”, which is more representative of our own bias and wishing things to be true as to create a clear moral right-wrong dichotomy.

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