You're one mindless drone dude. Clueless.

But hey Putin died of cancer and MSM won't even talk about those subs so they don't exist right?

Got it, lol

its not false, most of post soviet union states have awful demographics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

thats not a country that should lose more young men

You must be confusing me with someone else. I never claimed that the sanctions would cripple Russia, and have always been quite critical of them in the sense that I think the damage they inflict on Russia does not exceed the damage they inflict on ourselves to a sufficient degree.

The point I did make is that the Western sanctions only unleash their full potential in the medium-term and that we therefore shouldn't jump to premature conclusions (like that the sanctions have no effect at all) just because Russia was able to shrug them off initially.

I was replying to the scenario ownyaah was talking about, namely Russia mobilizing another 1-1.5 million soldiers. You won't get to these numbers with prison inmates alone, heck, Wagner has probably already recruited a large chunk of the prisoners who are actually fit to fight. So to achieve such a massive level of additional mobilization, Russia would need to cut into its normie population that they desperately need for their future.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 1 2023 02:46pm

Russians definitely need their young-lings, but need be a million more men is really no big deal. However it would still require lots of "will", both politically and socially. Ukraine however is suffering a far larger population decrease. It has probably lost around 5 million to Russia alone.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Mar 1 2023 03:23pm

Perhaps they disagree, they don't seem to be worried about it.

In the West we only think in terms of growth while cracks start to appear everywhere (housing for example).




One year ago there were many here claiming the sanctions would cripple Russia. I'm pretty sure you were in the pro-sanctions camp.

Sanctions dont bite when 80% of the world ignore them.

Russia has been hit pretty hard by sanctions. Do we have to go over how they can't even put air bags in their cars again?

Looks like car production is still down about 75% YoY and will likely get worse.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Mar 1 2023 03:39pm

"the sanctions did almost nothing" is one of those dumb little talking points that really just reveals how clueless some people are. of course they did. in reality, they hit russia pretty damn hard, and will increasingly do so mid to long term. yes, they didn't destroy russia's economy instantly, and didn't prevent them from continuing their war of aggression, but literally no one ever claimed they would do that - that's just copium by kremlin bots.

the fact that we don't see and hear their press reporting about it, or their population and industry complaining about it, has nothing to do with the lacking effectiveness of the sanctions themselves, and much more with government control of russian media and the brutal oppression of any kind of protests, critical movements, and political opposition.

https://www.bruegel.org/policy-brief/how-have-sanctions-impacted-russia
https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/war-and-sanctions-effects-russian-economy

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/impact-sanctions-russian-economy/
https://www.state.gov/the-impact-of-sanctions-and-export-controls-on-the-russian-federation/

its not safe to provide the link i guess, but i watched a video relating to the double standards of western media. feel free to youtube "Zakharova defeated a CNN journalist! Watch until the end! Ukraine." <-- terrible headline ofc but the content was worth considering.