oh that was YOU last friday, you motherfucker

I just disagree and think this firing has been politicized without any good explanation of why the suggested 60 day suspension/demotion was ditched.

He deserved it.

I'd only agree to that if it were the original recommendation, which it wasn't apparently per WaPo...

this is politics, of course it's politically motivated. The question is whether the two punishments are close enough in severity that increasing it is within reason. In this case they're very close in terms of severity when looking at punishments in a hierarchy, rather than subjective terms such as "one is fired, one is time off". escalation of punishment happens all the time, as well as deescalation. Inordinate escalation is a problem, in this case that doesn't really apply. You seem to be leaning on a very thin pretense to try and prove this is political, when everyone and their brother knows that it's political. you should be asking if it's acceptable, and if your definition for acceptable = "not political" in the context of politics, i dont know what to say.

looks like we agree more or less. My point is, isn't the FBI trying to get out of the politics? not back into it? this firing to me, like you even say, is political. So... we're back to where we started... the FBI tries to avoid being political, but inevitably it goes back to playing politics by firing (and not just suspending) Strzok. They could've just demoted him and gave him a humiliating position like a desk job or some other non important work and it would've looked a lot less politically motivated.

The FBI always has been and always will be political. They are at least partially under the direction of the head of the executive branch, perhaps the most political person in the entire union (with perhaps only the minority leader in the congress being more political in times of massive opposition politics). The FBI being arbiters of truth was propaganda, the FBI "cleaning up their act" was propaganda. They always will be politicized, not only because of where their directives come from, and that they're appointed by politicians, but also because all humans have political leanings. It's neither prudent nor possible to test applicants for centrist political beliefs, those tests are easy af to lie on especially for a position in a prestigious dept.

Any attempts to rid the FBI of politicians leads only down a road where incoming presidents regularly scrub the dept when they are elected, instability is all that leads to. I personally believe that Strzok didn't act with much bias, but he's also clearly biased.

Better grab the tinfoil then

that's fair, and I agree with (bold) and is important. Horowitz also came to that conclusion as his report said FBI decisions weren't the direct result of any bias.

Well said. The problem with the FBI in the last 2-3 years isnt that they are acting politically in the sense of being influenced by political considerations brought to them from the outside - no, the problem is that the FBI has started to show tendencies of becoming a political actor of its own, which, in the case of an authority as powerful as the FBI, necessarily leads to an inacceptable abuse of power if those tendencies go unchecked.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 13 2018 01:32pm